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I should add, I applaud the sentiment but I don’t particularly like the set-up of this Pounds For The Pitch thing as it stands.

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SUFC is a business and IMO has had more than enough charitable assistance over the last few years

It’s not a business, though, is it? It’s a longstanding community / social institution that, by necessity, has to have an element of being run as a business to function day to day / stay alive longer term.

If it IS only a business then you / we are merely customers – and I don’t think you or many others would really consider themselves that. In fact, I’d wager most would be insulted by that.

In my opinion, we all have some responsibility and we all have to accept the blurred lines a bit. It’s not “charity” as that suggests a slight disconnection from the club. It’s ‘what it takes to keep it going’ sometimes, and when it’s those times we all have to put in a little bit more than just simple purchases (tickets) if we can. Not necessarily money, but (for instance) the volunteering.

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Truthfully, I’m not too concerned by the result today, disappointing as the performance was. You show me a side that doesn’t get properly turned over a couple of times a season. Could be a very valuable ‘lesson’ – a bit of a wake-up call at just the right time. Let’s see how they go, how much fight they’ve got, against Rochdale on Tuesday.

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Scunnytim

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Denton has been off it for weeks. Starbuck has joined him. Evans was run ragged today.

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Rub of the green and refereeing decisions and that’s a 4-2 win for us, imho.

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Scunnytim

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Always found him a really decent fella in my few dealings with him, level-headed.

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What does Hurst add that Howe didn’t?

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CMC, Bhuna5, premier iron, BigLeftToe

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In recent months we’ve had James Moody repeatedly raising the issue of the concrete wall around the pitch and how, for safety reasons, and sooner rather than later, it’s going to have to go. Michelle also mentioned the intention to replace it, during her lengthy recent interview with Ollie T on the BBC.

Today, Whitehall recklessly endangered an opposition player by clattering into him from behind, right on the touchline, sending him flying. A slight twist of fate here or there and that could have been really nasty. The worst side of DW, imho.

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Bhuna5

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Deereyme66 wrote:

I’d expect Smith to score double what Howe would have given how many fans greeted his return like the second coming.

He nearly got off the mark against Horsham with something quite spectacular.

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Iron-awe wrote:

He’s a young man with a young family and as we all know there are plenty of of sleepless nights with young families, give the guy a break.

That’s fair enough. I didn’t know he had a young family, but I do know that can be a tiring time.

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saleiron wrote:

He did tell me and I am sure he was right. Let’s say Marriott maroon.

Deereyme66 wrote:

I’m intrigued. What was the correct shade?

As I’ve said elsewhere, before, no-one at the club ever seems to have got hold of the branding properly, so we’re treated to an endless cycle of shirts or merch in slightly (occasionally wildly) differing shades of claret and differing shades of blue. It might seem picky to point this out, but inconsistency weakens identity.

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cassidystash wrote:

Would you want him playing against us? It’s a NO from me!
Look at his record.

Don’t get me wrong, I like him – I’m not really in 64’s boo-camp. I just wonder how much Whitehall’s reputation preceding him has cost us as a team, and him as an individual. It’s only one side of the coin, though. He is who he is, and his record does indeed speak for itself.

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You have to wonder how many genuine penalties, free kicks and so on Whitehall has cost us due to his cheap soap opera-standard acting.

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Bhuna5

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My one abiding – actually, nagging – memory of Saturday’s match is seeing Denton yawning heavily into his hands when he’d come on as a sub and was standing there waiting for the second half to kick off. I found it quite annoying, to be honest. I accept that people can just suddenly involuntarily yawn, sometimes, but I hope it’s not some sort of indicator of a bigger story.

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64 wrote:

mainly them talking about promoting themselves,

To be fair, they’ve not had a lot of opportunity to establish themselves with “the fanbase” (I hate that term), and it does all seem a bit admin-heavy or process-heavy. Let’s see how things actually develop. It’d be interesting to see where VOTF stands if (or when) any real shit hits the fan in the relationship between the Club and “the fanbase”, as it did in the Hilton era.

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64 wrote:

This thread seems a bit mean

Agreed. He’s harmless and a nice enough bloke, even if his actions make some of us cringe or feel a bit embarrassed.

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Awaywego wrote:

See he met another little kid again yesterday.

Careful with this kind of dog whistle.

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saleiron wrote:

Six years? I miss John Staff. He once stopped me to point out the shade of claret on my ‘50s retro shirt was incorrect.

Good for John.

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Today was the worst performance from a Butler team so far, imho. Plus, the pitch is getting worse each time there’s a match played on it. When Roberts tripped in a big divot on the edge of the Horsham box and then crumpled in a heap, pointing at the pitch and effing and blinding, I thought “How long before we have another serious Ross Barrows-type situation?”

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Awaywego wrote:

So the club deserve a big fine and point’s deduction for fans behaviour Tjo, really.

And what punishment does the club deserve for giving a drugged up Rapper a microphone to abuse and incite Chester fans which the whole ground could hear.

They got the Weekender. Surely that was punishment anough?

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At the end of the day, the problem is with the supporters and their lack of judgement, not Savage.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

In Evans’ recent interview for Humberside, he made a point of saying how much more inspiring it is playing for a club and owner who loves the club through and through and isn’t just ‘pumping’ money in to it. Sounded like a night and day comparison to Hilton / Harness

Hilton didn’t pump money in.

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Really superb first half, as good as I’ve seen a Butler side play. Coped reasonably well when put under pressure in the second but, as ever, cracks started to appear and things began to fall apart a tad when substitutions were made. However, we held on and rode our luck a little bit, imho.

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Player of the season, so far, for me.

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This is the topic in the interview which made me shift in my seat a bit. Just going along with the sort of “look at other clubs who don’t have parking, they manage” thinking is probably sleepwalking into big problems.

On reflection, it’s not in the club’s hands, and those ‘in charge’ did what they had to do to keep the club alive / secure the ground so it’s not their fault, per se.

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saleiron wrote:

On the car park, the loss of revenue and capacity is a concern. Let’s hope that there is not a buyer for that land anytime soon.

This is the topic in the interview which made me shift in my seat a bit. Just going along with the sort of “look at other clubs who don’t have parking, they manage” thinking is probably sleepwalking into big problems.

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saleiron wrote:

I would like to have heard a bit more about learning points from last year beyond the pitch issues, but she is someone who is big enough to admit she and the board won’t get everything right.

I agree that Michelle came across quite well, but I feel there could have been a bit more about the pitch issues. Whatever the reasons / excuses, it’s a shocker that they’ve messed it up completely two seasons running.

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Went off the boil, didn’t do much in his last few weeks.

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Sanfran49 wrote:

He needs regular game time and with us he was getting it. He will not get it at Blunder Park.

How do you know this for sure?

As you said yourself: Let’s see what happens.

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Scales has tried hard but he looks a little bit out of his depth at NL level (as does Andrew Boyce).

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