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April 2, 2026 at 5:16 pm #318831
“Hardly likely to join her without an equal holding” answers the question.
And the main talking point on the Facebook site is. Does anyone know if the club shop is open tomorrow.
April 2, 2026 at 5:31 pm #318833Of course, a non-contentious issue, a yes or no situation.
April 2, 2026 at 5:42 pm #318834Surely the loans are in addition to the initial investment to secure shares?
April 2, 2026 at 5:43 pm #318835Surely the loans are in addition to the initial investment to secure shares?
You would hope that is the case.
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April 2, 2026 at 6:27 pm #318836I don’t understand why you don’t get that they paid nothing for the shares, histrionics show that Hilton paid £3 for the whole 8,900,000 of them from Swanny, who in turn gave them to Michelle who then in turn allocated (ie gave) to the 3 directors to be equal.
You can hope all you want but it won’t change the facts.April 2, 2026 at 6:51 pm #318837I don’t understand why you don’t get that they paid nothing for the shares, histrionics show that Hilton paid £3 for the whole 8,900,000 of them from Swanny, who in turn gave them to Michelle who then in turn allocated (ie gave) to the 3 directors to be equal.
You can hope all you want but it won’t change the facts.Who says I don’t get it?
As I said in another thread, there’s very little room for subtlety or nuance on here.
I was attempting to generate some debate on the morality of, essentially, directors getting a massive share of ownership of the football club in exchange for putting in money that they can then demand back in full.
April 2, 2026 at 9:41 pm #318843‘histrionics show that Hilton paid £3’
Histrionic Harry? Always kicking up a fuss that one.
April 3, 2026 at 4:05 am #318844That’s where a lot of the unease comes from. If the club owes the owners another £1.4m, then supporters have every right to question the model. At this level, owner loans are common enough, but this ownership was supposed to be a break from that kind of setup.
Right now it looks less like a new way of doing things and more like the usual football cycle with a nicer sales pitch.
Scunthorpe are trying to move towards self-sustainability, and the board should be applauded for that.
The reality is the club is not there yet and is still heavily reliant on board loans to keep operating. That is not unusual in lower-league football, but it does mean the current model is still one of owner support rather than genuine financial independence. The real test is not whether directors are putting money in now, but whether the club can reduce its annual losses to the point where it can cover day-to-day costs from normal football income such as gates, sponsorship, commercial activity and football revenues without needing fresh loans every season.
As for the new director loans, the most realistic path is not immediate repayment but a slow transition: first cut the yearly deficit, then reach break-even, then build modest surpluses over time. Only once that happens can the club sensibly deal with the debt, most likely by leaving loans in place as patient funding, converting some into equity, or eventually writing some off rather than repaying them like a normal business loan. So the question for supporters is simple: is this genuinely a bridge to a sustainable future, or just another period of losses being covered by directors with the debt pushed further down the road?
Two excellent posts hitting the nail squarely on the head.
The directors were given their shares or did they buy them ?
The directors have loaned money to the club and expect it to be repaid at some point so whilst it seems like a great job has been done to clear all the old Swan n Hilton debt in reality the club just owe other people money and hardly a rapid path to sustainability more of a snails pace and thats if things stay positive on the pitch…(highest gates for years)Everyday fans constantly being asked to dig deep , local companies giving time and materials in good faith simply for the love of the club is a drop in the ocean and just a small help looking at the current numbers.
One would hope as genuine fans of the club the directors will write off some of the loans or indeed any interest thats involved as the sums are pretty shocking.
As said on another thread what the club really need is new investment and or new owners with deeper pockets so keep buying those lotto tickets guys it may be the only way.UTI
April 3, 2026 at 7:49 am #318847I’m no forensic financial expert but even to a penny pudding like myself… if it wasn’t for the goodwill of the Fantastic Four we’d probably be defunct, reformed and playing in the Northern Counties East Football League Division One – Step 6 of the National League System (Level 10 overall).
Michelle (64)
George (69)
Roj (55)
Ian (45)They’ve all got substantial amounts of their own money tied up in their passion for the club.
We’re lucky to have four such noble fans.
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April 3, 2026 at 8:29 am #318848Tend to agree Rene. I’m no financial expert either but didn’t Kieran Maguire say it was his understanding that the debt will be brought down to £400k this year and could be met with some decent sponsorship and not leaving the showers on? Yes, I know the last bit wasn’t literal but his point was, it can be met given careful planning. I understand the loan aspect but wouldn’t like to see any of the Directors scoot off due to perceived criticism leaving the club in the mire again. This is just musing btw.
Just to add, any ‘new investment’ needs to be the right investment selected with due diligence. Deals that continue towards a sustainable model.
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April 3, 2026 at 8:44 am #318849I don’t think there is any great expectation those loans will be paid back, especially int the short term. They are unsecured and interest free.
Even if things went bad, there is no way the club has a chance of paying creditors with minimal assets and a small pot of cash.
If I remember right, Michelle wasn’t simply given the shares. I’m sure it has been mentioned that she paid off WHAM, somewhere in the region of 100k?
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April 3, 2026 at 8:52 am #318850‘I don’t think there is any great expectation those loans will be paid back, especially int the short term. They are unsecured and interest free.’
That’s my understanding. They’re all dedicated and committed supporters not investors looking to call their loans back in, surely?
April 3, 2026 at 9:04 am #318851They’re all dedicated and committed supporters not investors looking to call their loans back in, surely?
That’s certainly what I like to think. There’s been a few bumps but it’s been a long tough road.
Who’s to say that they was loans in the early firefighting days of the takeover because, like the rest of us, we hoped a quadrillionaire would come and buy the lot.
Michelle and Co may not have expected to have still been running the show this far down the line. They might have just been thinking they were temporary custodians waiting for deeper pockets.
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April 3, 2026 at 9:11 am #318852Can we also remember the time and effort that these people have put in to get the club back on an even keel.
It is a significant amount, and they have not been paid for it.
Also, they could have made a good few quid if they’d invested their money elsewhere.
We are lucky to have them.
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April 3, 2026 at 9:45 am #318853Did the solar panels ever get installed? Prime location and would generate free power and a revenue for the feed in tariff. Not much I know but would be a nice off season boost to the coffers.
April 3, 2026 at 9:57 am #318854Did the solar panels ever get installed? Prime location and would generate free power and a revenue for the feed in tariff. Not much I know but would be a nice off season boost to the coffers.
Yes they did, above the offices.
April 3, 2026 at 9:59 am #318855Did the solar panels ever get installed? Prime location and would generate free power and a revenue for the feed in tariff. Not much I know but would be a nice off season boost to the coffers.
And brand spanking new glazing.
https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2024/december/a-new-years-message-from-the-chair-and-board/
April 3, 2026 at 10:08 am #318856I don’t understand all the share/loan stuff enough to comment on how that all works.
But while a level of scepticism is needed, it is a fact that Michelle and the other directors have stuck a good wedge of money into the club without which we would be talking Scunthorpe United 1899 to 2023. The supporters showed they would help at the time and attendances are higher than I ever thought we’d get in non league, we are hopefully all in it together.6 users thanked author for this post.
April 3, 2026 at 10:57 am #318859Spot on…they’ve made some mistakes (particularly in entertaining the FC100k fiasco) but without them we’d be AFC Scunthorpe or some similar phoenix club in the Dog and Duck League.
A big thanks to whoever the massive donations are coming from as well (was it £300k last season?)…just a speculative hunch but my guess is that’s from the Wharton family.
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April 3, 2026 at 11:44 am #318861If memory serves me right Sharp called is supposedly loan back from Hilton what makes you think he wouldn’t do it again.
St Wharton called his £4 million loans back when Swanny took over, Fenty wouldn’t sell till his loans where paid back and Chansiri wants his share of the loans back when sheff Wednesday is sold.
Business men and women like to protect their money as much as possible, that’s why they loan instead of donating.
The one man who didn’t loan the company money was Hilton! Even turned down 2 crowd funding schemes one was for his legal fees for his court case with Swanny, can’t remember the other one was for.Don’t forget Michelle told us the debt was almost paid down, only to be told it wasn’t quite the case at trust meeting where then remarkably an extra £65,000 a month was needed in the form of loans.
Don’t trust our board at all especially after they got found out over the FC 100.000 and yes they luckily got found out and you can tell they’re still annoyed about it.
I’m glad you can just keep giving them as much as you can.April 3, 2026 at 12:59 pm #318866This sort of stuff got rid of Positivity Dave who, as far as I could see, was doing no harm. Be careful what you wish for.
April 3, 2026 at 1:03 pm #318867I don’t understand why you don’t get that they paid nothing for the shares, histrionics show that Hilton paid £3 for the whole 8,900,000 of them from Swanny, who in turn gave them to Michelle who then in turn allocated (ie gave) to the 3 directors to be equal.
You can hope all you want but it won’t change the facts.That’s not true, Hilton held the club to ransom , demanded and got £100k from Michelle Harness
April 3, 2026 at 1:04 pm #318868Don’t forget Michelle told us the debt was almost paid down, only to be told it wasn’t quite the case at trust meeting where then remarkably an extra £65,000 a month was needed in the form of loans.
It’s certainly true that communication around this has been disingenuous at best, but I suspect that what Michelle meant was that external creditors have largely been paid off.
Clearly this is positive, as it’s external creditors who are likely to issue winding-up orders if not paid.
What wasn’t clear at the time was that director loans had been required to achieve this.
It’s a worry that the club appears to be far from sustainability given the current crowds (how many would there be if we were struggling?), but the amount of money loaned by the directors is worthy of praise. Even if repayment is expected down the line, these loans are interest free, and therefore at significant opportunity cost to the directors.
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April 3, 2026 at 1:09 pm #318870Just like that kind of stuff got rid of Swanny and Hilton too.
Not trying to get rid but I’m hardly bothered wether they’re here or not.
But I’m sure you can say it’s not what most of you wanted when the majority of fans wanted rid of Swanny, change was the order of the day and it’s just not happened.
The model appears to be the same debt debt and more debt.
April 3, 2026 at 1:23 pm #318872I suspect that what Michelle meant was that external creditors have largely been paid off.
… or that agreements to pay on instalments have been agreed and are in process and therefore can be creatively accounted.
April 3, 2026 at 1:24 pm #318873Just like that kind of stuff got rid of Swanny and Hilton too.
Not trying to get rid but I’m hardly bothered wether they’re here or not.
But I’m sure you can say it’s not what most of you wanted when the majority of fans wanted rid of Swanny, change was the order of the day and it’s just not happened.
The model appears to be the same debt debt and more debt.
The “change” may have been vibe.
April 3, 2026 at 2:13 pm #318874Don’t really get how he held the club to ransom and maybe demanded should have read asked.
Club statement on the 4th October, Michelle, “I thank everyone who got the transaction over the line especially David Hilton”
Then went on to say “David has taken no fee for the club and wiped all monies he personally invested to allow the deal to happen” That doesn’t appear to be a man holding the club to ransom.
Really 64 you must do better than that.April 3, 2026 at 2:50 pm #318876Swann and Hilton didn’t go because of fans being critical, harsh or negative. Swann had no money to spend in the end, after gambling it on the club and with his own personal problems, while Hilton never really had the money to begin with and used the “fans are driving me away” thing as a guilt trip to keep his supporters on side and pass off the blame.
April 3, 2026 at 3:15 pm #318878There’s a difference between having no money and refusing to spend. Both of the came to the same conclusion much the same as Maguire said in that interview some owners finally don’t see it worthy of carrying on when all they get is grief.
Have we seen anywhere where Hilton didn’t have the money? Quite the contrary he had to show proof of funding down the line to be an owner to the fa the national league and Swanny which was corroborated by Elliott as well.
Will have had to do the same with Matlock, do you not question how he’s able to do it if he hasn’t got money behind him or the ability to borrow it.
If he hasn’t got any he’s one clever man to continue to dupe people and power to his arm for it.April 3, 2026 at 3:45 pm #318879The one person who believes in the FA’s owenership fitness test. If he had the money, he would have been able to do things like acquire the ground from Swann, instead of giving nonsense excuses (and that was before the ‘grief’). He didn’t need to be clever to fool the fools who did and still (in some cases) think a con man was some honest arbiter.
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