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Trying to be fair, there have been some negative comments to them previously, so I can understand them not liking Bru. It’s not always black and white and sometimes comments are disagreeable. However, that is the price we pay for being able to share an opinion. I have never understood why they cannot ignore such comments. Comments have rarely been truly defamatory and, if they have, they have been deleted.
On Facebook someone called Earl posted something about everyone should get along, and included a link to a potentially contentious thread on here. That was disingenuous and deliberately provocative, done to incite a pile-on, imho.
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Links work for me.
Unity Iron seem to have a problem distinguishing between Matt Ellis and Iron Bru.
Does Matt Ellis even post on here?
One of the problematic current issues is the conflation of Iron Bru and individual users of Iron Bru.
Iron Bru is a platform, an open forum. It’s not a club, or a mindset or a set of rules – and it’s not the Matt Ellis Appreciation Society. One person’s opinion doesn’t necessarily reflect anyone else’s. It also might. Some people have very strong negative opinions on certain things, some don’t.
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The matchday atmosphere at GP has never been as consistently “up” as it has been in the last two seasons – due in no small part to the drummer and his mates. Leave them alone, they’re doing a cracking job. If you don’t like it put earplugs in.
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Well, at least it’s better than a drug pusher to kids.
Positivity Sherbert, you mean?
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Respect to Clunan for being “a busy c**t” (as Jaap Stam put it) etc, but this season has been much more entertaining than last season because the midfield has been more attack minded.
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I don’t think it’s fair to say they are as contemptuous as the previous two incumbents, but they risk losing good will, as argued. They can’t ride on the coat tails of saving the club forever without scrutiny.
For the record, I agree. I don’t think they are as contemptuous – I raised it as an extreme to generate debate. They certainly do risk losing the goodwill of some, though. Mostly those for who the effects of the Kool Aid have worn off, and who are prepared to actually stand back, look at the situation and think with some clarity (as per SODIron).
It’s the little things as well as the big (issues). The noticeable groaning and scoffing from the board at Matt Blanchard’s questions during that AGM thing – quietly out of order, imho. If anyone / anything deserves respect it’s actually Bru and Trust (especially over PD, Unity, Army and Hour)… Again, not to decry the enthusiasm or good intentions of those, but in the long game they’re not that credible, imho. They’re too close to be able to see properly, when needs be.
That’s the danger here. Not a few awkward posts on a forum. It’s the slow erosion of goodwill.
They’re like kids in front of a TV, though – unable to turn their eyes away from cartoon fans (like Positivity Dave). The loudness and brightness is cheerful and simplistic – and makes anything else seem a bit dour and drab, therefore negative.
The irony is that the club owes its survival, in part, to people who were prepared to be awkward when it mattered. Clubs do not get saved by vibes alone. They get saved by supporters who care enough to challenge, organise, question, and sometimes make themselves unpopular. If that sort of supporter is now seen as a nuisance while the hand-picked “good fans” get the nod, then the problem is not negativity. The problem is a culture that prefers applause to honesty.
You could reasonably argue that this trend also makes the current owners as contemptuous as previous incumbents, and therefore not much better.
To be a bit clearer, I’m not anti-Matt. I just mentioned it for balance – there are extremes of behaviour in all directions. Butler seems to prefer Positivity Dave-style.
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One example would be pointing out that we have lost X number of points after 88 minutes is not negative. It’s not expressing an opinion, it’s a fact and, as no solution had been found, why wouldn’t it be discussed on here?
Interestingly, of course, we’ve gained quite a lot of points from losing positions this season. Perhaps Butler’s thing about positivity (as opposed to Positivity) is more about balanced perspective.
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In my opinion Positivity Dave is getting flack for events that a really not of his doing .
It wasn’t Dave who moved the goal posts on share sales to the trust and decided to marginalise them for doing what we fans expect of them,” giving us be a voice
The narrative has changed in an animal farm way,gradually and subtly.Those who were once trusted allies and without whom the current board may have failed are cast aside.Have to agree with this. There’s something a bit suspect about the way the board has shunned the Trust and Iron Bru – or, rather (to be a bit more accurate / slightly less dramatic), the way they have wilfully downgraded them.
Without the Trust and without Iron Bru the club would actually now be gone. These are the two organisations that will question, challenge, stand up etc etc…
As generally harmless or decent as they may be, the rest (Unity, Hour, Army, Positivity, Voice) so far appear to pretty much be “useful idiots” who will toe the line.
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Prediction: Should we get into the Play-Offs (at this stage it’s looking highly likely) we will, in fact, fall at the first hurdle.
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