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Dear me. Gosling on BBC Radio Humberside just now talking about a statue, the Iron Trust and the club making social media announcements about a statue. The Iron Trust membership has been / is being steamrollered. Bring back John Needham.

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64 wrote:

I’d say there’s a line between representing and leading. We elect them to run the trust and a certain amount of leading has to be accepted with a huge amount of representation.This is a big project to not canvassing members on

I don’t know who makes the Trust’s decisions these days, but as soon as the email about the statue arrived last week I felt snubbed and like it was possibly one person taking a huge misstep. Consultation with membership should definitely have been the first move. The Trust should not be one person’s plaything, or those at the helm should not second-guess their membership. Really bad, this, imho.

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MosbyCumner

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They do still seem to be banging on with the intention for a Keegancentric memorial. Once again, this is absolutely not the way to go as it insults other former players who gave greater service. No denying KK was a hero, and is extremely fondly thought of in our town, but his greatness in the game came after Scunthorpe. Do a memorial wall, which can be added to as time goes by and other players pass. Whoever at the Trust is behind this move is getting it a bit wrong.

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This is slightly more formal an announcement than in the email last week, and the intention has changed from statue to memorial. I’d imagine the lack of blanket support, and the slow tick over of the fundraising, has clipped the Trust’s heels somewhat. Call it a reality check..?

Keegan – 28th July – Iron Trust

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The only way forward is a memorial wall, or a ‘legends wall’, with a brick each for those worthy players who have passed. The bricks could be paid for out of a fund people can pay into if they wish. Anything too directed at one individual player is highly contentious. Don’t get me wrong, Keegan is one of my personal heroes, but in Scunthorpe United terms is he actually more worthy than Brownsword? Cammack?

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Additionally, of course, the current Iron Trust top brass should have put things out for the membership to decide – not just announce fundraising for a statue. Very poor leadership.

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Awaywego

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The more I think about this, the more I think renaming the Iron Bar could be one of only two serious options.

In his most recent visit, lots of memories were made in the Iron Bar. Calling it Keegan’s would give it “a certain something” as well as pay tribute.

Renaming a stand would be a pointless exercise – he actually played at GP only the once.

Calls for a statue to Keegan are an excessive kneejerk reaction to the shock and the grief.

If there IS to be some sort of memorial, a focal point for people to gather and grieve when former players die, wouldn’t it be more appropriate – and fair to all who have given service – if there was a simple and tasteful Wall Of Remembrance (along the lines of the one outside the office door).

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Awaywego

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barriethomas wrote:

Iron Bar to be renamed ‘Keegan’s seem to me to be the best suggestion so far. Thank you Apollo11

Big picture of KK behind the bar behind the bar?

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Northumbiron wrote:

Yes, I try to miss out Liverpool when I’m travelling down the west side of the country.

I share the nagging doubts. We don’t want something as hideous as the Whacko Jacko one outside Fulham or the CR7 statue in Funchal. One of the best I’ve seen is the Hughie McIlmoyle one in Carlisle. But it won’t come cheap.

In the past we had stadium and stand naming, but now that everything has to have a sponsor’s name on it I can’t see that happening.

“The Kevin Keegan Stand, sponsored by Mortz” doesn’t really show the respect it should.

Glynn needs to get in touch with Brut 33. It’s a shoe-in for some dollar, surely?

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Awaywego wrote:

Are the shirts on sale yet?

Meyba haven’t even delivered them yet, and they have not supplied a delivery date, I have heard on the grapevine.

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SUFC_IRON_ART wrote:

A statue outside the stadium would be a fitting tribute to Kevin but share concern at the cost of a good quality one and getting it right. Personally thought Jack Brownsword Way should lead to (Kevin) Keegan Park but I’m sure the club along with his family will find the right solution in time.

Fingers crossed. If it happens it has to be good, it has to be right.

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cassidystash wrote:

I share your concern Apollo. Hypothetical example using possibly unrealistic figures:- Statue cost £20k, GoFundMe raises £10k, what happens to the money?

Governance of the money itself is another issue, but yes.

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ironking wrote:

Great idea by the Trust and I will be supporting with a donation (after payday).

Surely you could have all of your suggestions as well as a statue.

I’m not saying that marking respect for the man is a bad idea in itself. I completely agree that something needs to be done for KK. He was a really important figure in the club’s history, and there is so much affection for him – and that is even passed down through generations.

However, these things are very very easy to get wrong. That is my worry.

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Awaywego

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saleiron wrote:

Have we ever had a supplier with which the club and fans were happy? I see that Hartlepool’s Meyba manufactured kits are available and on sale. What have they done differently?

In the recent past the club sang Kelme’s praises, and the company certainly gave the club some financial leeway during uncertain times. They also produced by far the best kit (24/25) in recent memory.

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Our new replica kits were due to have arrived and be on sale by the end of last week. A cursory bit of research reveals that most NL clubs have theirs released and on sale. Assuming that it is an important and major source of revenue to the club, it’s not good enough. Fans weren’t consulted on design because of the imperative to get kits on sale at an early point.

Meyba appear to have been utter garbage on all fronts since SUFC went with them. I am positive the club will bin them off when contractually able.

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alcazar

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“Driver was to get better quality and design than last year”. Failed, then – big time. The design of the home shirts is absolutely appalling, bearing in mind the commercial necessoty of getting a sponsor, and therefore the design need of a clear and uncomplicated space for a sponsor logo. The shirts are worse than last year – much much worse (and last year we all believed it couldn’t get any worse).

As much admiration as I have for Michelle’s intentions, and for her efforts over the last two and a half years, I sometimes find interviews like this one a bit frustrating. There are always a couple of little comments here and there which seem guarded or dismissive.

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alcazar

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Even better still, top and tail the video with it but leave it off the actual match footage.

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saleiron wrote:

According to main character syndrome man on the other side. Michelle said so last night, he says. Does a £60 Iron Insider subscription buy that by way of advance news or is this in an Insider Inner Wheel package? Not good news for Potions Cauldron btw.

Main Character Syndrome Man.

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BigLeftToe

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Deereyme66 wrote:

‘Someone (on here or the Facebook cult page) once slagged John Staff off because he knew the exact ‘pantone numbers’’

I think I asked what the number was in reply to Saleiron. I asked out of curiosity and genuine interest though it did amuse me. I would never slag off John Staff either. Huge respect for him and bought several of his books. In fact I don’t recall anyone on here slagging him off so this is either a misunderstanding or perhaps happened on another site.

It’s definitely a misunderstanding, I remembered the comment incorrectly. However, my actual point, about consistency of the club colours, still stands.

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saleiron wrote:

I referenced somewhere that John Staff once stopped me to say the claret on my 1950s replica shirt was incorrect. But I certainly wasn’t slagging him off. I respected and admired his knowledge and the fact he cared about these things.

Point taken! Good lad.

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Awaywego wrote:

Yes it’s nearly upon us again.
My hope is the club don’t monetize it and make the majority of fans wait till those who’ve paid for insider information have the heads up first.

The club won’t be able to paywall the fixture list as the information will be generally available to the public through other means.

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alcazar

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Northumbiron wrote:

If it’s the details that’s annoying people then it’ll be fine when you’re viewing them from the top tier of the Emirates Stadium.

Even that won’t be far enough to escape eye damage.

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64 wrote:

I guess so, aesthetic design is pretty subjective but I just hate the dump on a badge without thought attitude,bit like the chains on last season’s abomination.

It’s subjective after the point of basic principle.

And the badge thing is just one of a few ignorant or careless mistakes.

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64 wrote:

I quite like the design of the away shirt,l, should be home The home shirt is bad,the way the badge spills over the V edges looks sloppy and distracts .I assume the shirt is an off the shelf design so somebody must surely have thought shrink the badge to fit .
I don’t wear them so my tuppence is worthless anyway.

Wrong, it’s not worthless. You’re allowed to have an opinion even if you don’t wear the shirts. In fact, doesn’t not wearing the shirts constitute an opinion on them, of sorts?

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64 wrote:

I quite like the design of the away shirt,l, should be home The home shirt is bad,the way the badge spills over the V edges looks sloppy and distracts .I assume the shirt is an off the shelf design so somebody must surely have thought shrink the badge to fit .
I don’t wear them so my tuppence is worthless anyway.
I find it amusing they once again use the lawyer,a reminder to today’s not so cool kids what they never had

Completely agree with the stuff about today’s not so cool kids.

Funny how the Honest Lawyer has become really desirable – and even funnier that it is actually United central, co-opted for use by the club. The original roots of the Lawyer and United are that it was the weekend drinking home of the often critical Get A Grip Ref fanzine mob (who had their run-ins with the club). Later, of course, it was handed down to the original pre-corporate Flag Day mob.

The exterior of the Lawyer looks tremendous in the video, too, as an aside.

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The logos are a consequence of what the club is and how it has to operate, so we have to accept them. The very very least the club should do is provide relatively plain shirts to tastefully service the logos of those brands. The strength of the British Steel logo is compromised when thrown onto the home shirt so close below that unnecessary chevron. A very poor design call by the club.

The shade of claret mentioned by MK Iron – completely agree with the principle of his argument.

The quality control and consistency at the club has been poor over the years, with many different shades of claret, many different shades of blue. All of these different colours / shades have been used on shirts, merchandise and every other club-associated items. Take a look at the Terrace tat in the club shop, what on earth do some of the colours used on stuff in there have to do with Scunthorpe United?

All of this aesthetic uncertainty (or carelessness) weakens the brand.

Someone (on here or the Facebook cult page) once slagged John Staff off because he knew the exact ‘pantone numbers’ (or whatever other colour codes were used in prehistoric times) for the club’s claret and the club’s blue. Someone should have listened to him!

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Richard Ballard wrote:

I think it’s probably more important how they play in the said shirt, rather than what it actually looks like?

That is to some degree correct. However, in success, detail is crucial. The way the club represents itself (including how the shirts look) is important.

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another fed up fan wrote:

What was anyone thinking when they passed these designs off absolutely terrible

I imagine the process was that the shirts were decided on prior to sponsor (and therefore sponsor logo) being secured.

On this basis you can reasonably assume those that make the decisions saw ‘blank’ shirts, and in that form they perhaps look reasonable (if still something of a heavily acquired taste… and a very poor attempt at ‘retro’ design, with no real understanding of the importance of going the whole way plus an extra mile with ‘retro’ design if you want it to look classy and properly work).

So, without the British Steel logo involved at that decision stage, only those with the smartest eye and capable of doing some joined-up thinking when it comes to visuals would have foreseen such a terrible overall look. The home shirt really is appallingly bad.

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Awaywego wrote:

Nice to see the shirt finally, on first impressions it’s looks awful maybe it’ll be a grower.

Doubtful. It’s one to be forced to tolerate for a year, I think.

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Awaywego

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Left it an hour-and-a-half, to see if time really is a healer, before looking at the shirts again.

Nah. They are still absolutely terrible, with the home shirt still an absolute car crash.

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