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ironlion82 wrote:

It was bad enough that firstly the Trust decided without involving Members to raise £50 k for a Statue.
This was then compounded by their decision to donate £500 towards the cost again with no consultation with the 1200 Members.
It seems now the Statue has been converted to a Memorial Garden !
The Trust has firstly had a lot of bad publicity about this and in my opinion quite rightly so.
Even more worrying about all this is how again in my opinion the Trust have never really addressed this with the Members.
At the very least they should have called a meeting and any members with views about this could have made their feelings known.
Seems to me from being a democratic set up it is now doing what the committee wants and not involving members.
I thought the aim of the Trust was to raise money to buy shares when they become available but obviously not !

As I posted elsewhere on another thread, they know they dropped a steaming wet one. But they’ve tried to brazen it out. Same absolute lack of accountability as the Iron Hour / Army sock-puppet suck-muppets and their Hilton crap.

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sufc_not_on_tour wrote:

64 wrote:

I’m still recieving emails despite asking them to take me off the mailing list and cancel my membership

Just block the email address, it’s not rocket science, or are you just attention seeking as usual?

Or maybe the Trust should acknowledge someone asking to leave, and try to establish why, and then perhaps consider the reason(s)?

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64 wrote:

My point really wasn’t about any particular club fans,it seems fans from all clubs now think they’re pundits and talk in this weird football language .Max Bellend has perfected it,

Yes. Also the other Iron Hours.

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Apollo11 wrote:

Out of interest, and because someone surely must have kept them, does anyone have the files for the ‘digital only’ programmes from both the Covid era and the Hilton era? They’re no longer accessible from the club website…

Anyone?

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ironking wrote:

Apollo11 wrote:

ironking wrote:

I know where there is a full collection from seventies to COVID.

Up for grabs? Where’s this then?

Mates collection, his Mrs is moving house.

I’ll pass this info on, I know someone who is potentially looking for a set.

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Out of interest, and because someone surely must have kept them, does anyone have the files for the ‘digital only’ programmes from both the Covid era and the Hilton era? They’re no longer accessible from the club website…

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Apollo11 wrote:

… players dont get what direction Butler and Scoff want to go .. bunch of decent players miles off a cohesive team unit.

100% this.

That’s not to say that the direction is wrong – so it must be the communication of it that’s at fault. To be honest, Butler and Musselwhite stand on the sidelines barking throughout home matches and I’ve seen players struggle to decipher what’s being said. So that is just one part of the whole communication breakdown.

Plus, they’re at this micromanagement for most of the match, which would be enough to p*ss anyone off.

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Siderite wrote:

Surely this isn’t Bru generally and rightfully agreeing that abuse of a player is bad? I have been told we’re a hive of toxicity.

For toxic see Facebook.

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… players dont get what direction Butler and Scoff want to go .. bunch of decent players miles off a cohesive team unit.

100% this.

That’s not to say that the direction is wrong – so it must be the communication of it that’s at fault. To be honest, Butler and Musselwhite stand on the sidelines barking throughout home matches and I’ve seen players struggle to decipher what’s being said. So that is just one part of the whole communication breakdown.

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WonderGoals wrote:

lesgeo wrote:

reckon that we have at least three/four players we needn’t have signed at all – or kept. Think how their wages could have helped us to have picked two better incomers.

I’ve said the same many times. Ogle, Barrows and Campbell weren’t needed. Starbuck and Jb were enough for RB slots. I’d rather we signed another CB and a dependable GK with the money.

Not convinced with Richards either. Rather than signing him and Parker on loan, I’d rather we signed Westbrooke on a full contract.

The damage was done in the off season with player recruitment. Butler has a collection of players rather than a funtioning squad. It appears the collection of players are confused and have somewhat lost faith in what the’s putting across to them.

I just think it’s gotten to a point where last season plans/ team dyanamics had been ripped up and he’s needed to re set us up to go again and he’s not got any clue on how to go about it. The players are waiting for some direction and are not really getting it, hence why there is very little team cohesion.

I hope I’m wrong, but don’t believe I am.

Westbrooke wanted to move back down south to be with family, didn’t he?

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lesgeo wrote:

The worst thing here is that I cannot see how this mess can easily be corrected – even if we were able to recruit an experienced manager at a budget we might be able to afford.

Butterfield will be the next manager.

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“The centre cannot hold” as they say. Our “plucky survivors” / “all in the trenches together” post-Hilton energy and mentality was a massive part of the last two seasons, but has now almost completely evaporated due to the majority of players from that period moving on. We’ve less than a handful of the ‘club is saved’ squad left. We’re in a period of transition and I’m not sure Butler and his back room staff have enough to shape the necessary new identity.

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Hayfever_Iron wrote:

23 players and yet we seem critically light in midfield.

Beestin is not a CM, he’s a no.10 and a good one on his day.

Butterfield as good as he is technically requires a solid midfield around him, to allow him to do what he does best and that is add that bit of magic that others can’t at this level.

We saw this two seasons ago in NLN.

He’s a luxury player and that’s no slight on him.

He was expected to run around trying to win the ball back yesterday far too often and that’s not his game.

My main concerns are we haven’t filled the void that Ewing and Westbrooke have left.

This and the fact that Evans looks a shadow of his former self.

Was the pitch last season hiding the fact that his legs aren’t up to it?

Different game altogether now going from the sandpit to the bowling green.

Butler is going to have to make some difficult decisions for me in this position.

Ewing, Westbrooke and may as well say Rowley, too. He has so far been a mere shadow of his last season self.

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I feel sorry for him, to be honest. He might be out of his depth and that’s not a good place to be.

We’ve got good players but we’re a sh*t team. That’s on him. Personally I think a part of the problem is that he and his small coaching staff are just not capable of managing a squad of this size.

So many players “getting minutes in their legs” and then nothing for two weeks and so on and so on… Whatever happened to a player playing 90 for six games on the trot, f-ing himself up and then having a week off? I’d rather that than what we’ve got – no settled team and the entire squad, all 600 players, as bit part players making cameos.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

Apollo, having a purge. I have Iron v Hartlepool 26 Dec 98/99 if you still need it. Pic of Russ Wilcox piggybacking John Eyre on the front.

Also, would you like these home ones?

V Hull 01/02
V Bristol Rovers 01/02
V Leyton 01/02

Plus away:

V Halifax 01/02
V Luton 3 Jan 2000
V Millwall 7 March 2000
V Gills 18 March 2000

Let me know. They’ll only be recycled otherwise

Hello DM66, thanks for the list, I will check…

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ironking wrote:

I know where there is a full collection from seventies to COVID.

Up for grabs? Where’s this then?

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Iron-awe wrote:

Absolutely Apollo and some families deal with it and handle it in different ways, they obviously have struggled but not all similar situations are entirely predictable.

Exactly my point. You have no idea what it’s going to be like, how tough it’s going to be and how you’ll actually cope until you are in the middle of it. At the human level I really feel for the Smiths.

At the club level I am dismayed if we are out of pocket, as we can hardly afford to be. If, of course, an outside body paid the transfer fee (Yaddlethorpe Motors was mentioned in relation to the Smith transfer, wasn’t it?), then I hope the club and company or company and agent (etc) were able to come to amicable agreement on recompense.

It’s a bit of a sh*tshow.

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BigLeftToe wrote:

Really don’t understand what people are seeing in Pat Jones. He can run quickly in a straight line and that’s about it. Has no skill, can’t cross, can’t shoot, and runs with his head completely down like a headless chicken. What’s he done since signing? Nothing of any note other than latching onto a shocking back pass at Halifax. TSF is a better winger/footballer.

That is nonsense.

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Awaywego wrote:

Third shirt looks quite classy, would make a great day wear shirt if only the British steel was removed logo and all.
Best shirt of the lot imo.

I don’t like the zip, and I don’t like the lime green piping. But it’s reasonable.

Hopefully next year there’ll be some actual quality designs. Simple is best.

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Just a small detail perhaps but he signed the contract fully confident in what he was doing and with his family’s agreement.

Nothing quite prepares you for the difficulty of having a baby and a young child. We can only assume reality kicked in for the Smiths, in a very big way, and Connor and his partner had no family or support network. When he signed they will have been attracted by the length of the deal and the cash on offer, and full of confidence that they could manage. After the birth they’ll have probably been feeling fraught, tired and miserable during a very tough and draining time for them.

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There is perhaps a little more personal nuance to it than the word “homesick” can convey. I’m happy Smith is now free to sort his and his family’s future on his terms, it’s just a shame United will be somewhat out of pocket.

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Like the Tom Zanetti all-dayer, this is a bit of a disaster – not of the club’s making this time. The club will have (it looks like) lost money. At a human level I wish Smith well and all that. But I’m annoyed that the club is probably out of pocket in the multiple tens of thousands(?) because of this.

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Awaywego wrote:

Club had to bite the bullet and let him go for sweet f all, at least he’s not taking a wage anymore.

Can’t wish him well he signed for us and should have fully committed, players only have a short career and shouldn’t let outside influences get in the way, plenty of time for family life once you’ve retired.

They will have let him go to free up a wage that can be paid to T S-F.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

I’ll be honest and say I didn’t think the performance I watched back on DAZN was as bad as a lot of the scathing criticism I saw on here and elsewhere. Ultimately it looked like we were simply outclassed in almost every department. But that was expected, surely? Defending was shocking of course and we could and should have conceded more, but we did create chances. Looked to me like games against opposition like Carlisle are going to be a tough watch, but we still ought to get results against the bottom half standard clubs. If that becomes the pattern, I can’t see the present coaching team going anywhere.

I was there, and I believe this is reasonable. Carlisle were better than us, but we had enough chances to have got a draw or, on a lucky and probably undeserving day, a win.

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Cheers AWG, much appreciated.

Anyone else got any spares / a collection up for grabs?

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Iron-awe wrote:

Anyone remember Das Boot?, very entertaining film about a world war 2 U boat and later a very good six part BBC2 series from the 1980’s, certainly more entertaining then the current crap tv football coverage on DAZN, shitty commentators and all.

The six part series was an extended version of the film, and is much better for it.

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AWG, thanks a lot! Definitely into the others (except the Grimsby pre-season). How about Weds 10.45?

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Awaywego wrote:

I’m with you Apollo didn’t see any of the game mind, but from the report and Butler’s interview we would seem hard done to, not that I’m keen on a draw especially 4-4 if your gonna score 4 away from home you need to be taking all 3pts.
Fully expect us to beat Harrogate unless of course they’ve got a bigger budget than us.

Bradford city hardly ever used their budget advantage, and we never used our bigger budget than everyone in the NLn or the cups for that matter over the last few years.
The bigger budget is becoming tiresome now as is it’s only 5 games, we overachieved last season, and so on.

We definitely weren’t hard done to – but with a bit of luck the score could have been different. 4-4 would certainly have flattered us, but it could easily have happened.

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Starbuck and Brennan were really good in combination when they came on, by the way. Tails up, going for it, smart skilful interplay.

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Carlisle were definitely much stronger than us, but we could still have got something out of the game. I thought Butler made sense on the radio last night when he said it could easily have ended 4-4. We had a few decent chances – Dec Howe’s missed one-on-one was ridiculous, you’d have put money on him. Equally, though, it could have been 8-2, Carlisle tore through our defence at will. A very disappointing day that has only added further pressure to Mr Butler.

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