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Sadly, it’s beyond the wit of some to understand that you can disagree without resorting to abuse. As others have pointed out, this is one of the reasons why this forum survives and prospers.
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There may be more. Also, there may not.
Doesn’t look good on the face of it.
But I feel there may be more to this than simply an OAP getting banned.
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Hopefully, the questions that arise from this can be addressed at the forthcoming (date tbc) shareholders’ meeting. Is a move to sustainability realistic with this model while maintaining on field momentum? I never expected promotion this season, but will we better placed next to push on? Probably not. If we hit the jackpot and get promoted this year, that brings into play other revenue streams. There will also, though, be pressures and expectations in terms of investment.
I think we are all grateful for what the owners have done for the club to date and pleased with on field achievements. The need for a longer term plan is all too apparent.
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Once again, a very helpful, clear and insightful analysis. Thank you. To me, it suggests that the more transparency from clubs on finance matters, the better. If you outline plans and challenges associated with decisions, the more likely you are to take fans with you. Better still, involve them in those decisions.
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A couple of questions for you?
-what are the characteristics that are common to “us lot”?
-when you say “you have no balls,” what do you mean?As others have put far better than me, this forum does not comprise a homogenous group of people and opinion. There is a diversity of views, there are disagreements, and there is sometimes nuance (look it up). This Bru as bogeyman really doesn’t fly, but I guess is serves the ends of some while helping the time pass for someone trying to stay on the straight and narrow.
In my opinion you lot like to give it out first time someone gives you it back. You have no balls like it or not
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What the guy is saying is true
all you have ever wanted to do is moan over and over again
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Very helpful analysis. So, it points to the need to get additional investors?
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The seem to be there now…
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00123622/filing-history
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This was your first post. It doesn’t seem to be the best opener if you were really seeking rational discussion.
Some of these comments are hilarious.
You all look like clowns. Just hate speech and jealousy.
I have no inclination to clarify any of your misinformation.
The unity group will be at the hut as usual on friday . Uti4 users thanked author for this post.
Nicknames are fine. Can’t wait to hear.
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That’s fair. When I have been to Alty and West Didsbury & Chorlton, the songs have been far more inventive than you hear at league and ex-league grounds.
‘it’s a damning indictment of the modern game imo.’
I think that’s a bit general. More EFL and ex-EFL clubs in my experience. There are numerous non league clubs below us with a rich canon of amusing and inventive songs and and chants. Often self deprecating. Though they tend to be more left wing, liberal fan bases.
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I know the lad means well and some people seem to like it. Sadly, it seems to have established itself as a club endorsed “good thing.” The canon of chants and songs was far richer and more inventive in days of yore and some of that is down to the drum. If we need that to get an atmosphere going, it’s a damning indictment of the modern game imo.
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I am not suggesting any dressing room shenanigans (and this remains no more than speculation) should be public knowledge. However, that doesn’t stop us puzzling over why a no-brainer decision (i.e. recalling Howe) isn’t being enacted.
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A big test of Butler’a character and development as a leader. If something has gone on between him and Howe, he needs to sort it and get him back. I suspect Howe being hooked against Horsham was the flashpoint for any discord. Then again, Butler seemed to be lukewarm about him from the outset by repeatedly referring to it being his first season as a full time pro.
He’s in contract, he’s had a great season. Get him back.
If Farrell’s loan is not extended, Butler confirmed he has contingency plans. “We’ve got players out there who are on loan, who we can call back. We’ve got a plan B, C and D,” he said.”
Mmmmmm? Who could he mean?
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I can live with the increase if it helps to cover running costs without recourse to begging bowl initiatives such as the one for the pitch renovations.
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Amongst other things, Butler needs PR training. It comes across as immature and petty. He’s 42, so the young and inexperienced card has now expired. As you say, he should rise above it.
Butler has done a good job on the pitch, but he has a lot to learn with how to deal with fans of the club. It’s bizarre; he seems to treat anyone who says anything negative as the enemy.
Yes, some have gone overboard before with OTT criticism that have been proven wrong at times, but they are entitled to air their opinion and repeated jibes at them makes him sound prickly and insecure. It makes people want to stick it to him when form declines, as it did recently, through annoyance, so it serves a negative feedback loop for him. Such hyperbolic criticism from them is best ignored by him. Also, his arguments don’t leave leeway for constructive criticism, which he makes sound like it’s unwelcome.
Positivity Dave and the unity group are welcomed by Butler and the club because they give unwavering support no matter what. This may be preferred by the club because it is seen as nice and they can be surrounded by positive thought, but it insulates them. It creates a bubble. Sometimes we all need to hear scepticism to avoid mistakes. That is before we go into the divisive nature of some of these people, like Stuart Maw and Max Bell, who have stoked division, behind their curated image of just being positive about the club, by hurling unjust accusations against others and engaging in questionable social media habits.
This is so on the nail. 👏
One of the clearest signs of weak leadership is the need to be surrounded by yes-men. The moment someone only welcomes praise and treats criticism as disloyalty, they stop learning, stop growing, and start disappearing into their own ego.
History is full of examples of powerful figures brought undone by flattery, arrogance, and an inability to hear uncomfortable truths. Even in ancient Rome, there was a tradition during a triumph for a voice behind the victorious leader to remind him of his mortality and limits, often rendered as “remember you are mortal.” The point was simple: power, applause, and self-importance have a way of distorting judgment if nobody is willing to bring you back to reality.
Butler would do well to remember that surrounding yourself with sycophants may protect your ego, but it usually comes at the expense of wisdom, credibility, and sound judgment.
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