Kevin Keegan Tribute

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saleiron wrote:

The share builder scheme was definitely put to members for views. I remember replying to say that I supported it.

It certainly was, I am still at a loss when it comes to understanding the club’s reaction to it

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saleiron wrote:

The Trust’s work on securing the stadium was very much based on good judgement as well as a lot of time. Even if you don’t agree with the current KK initiative (and I don’t), it doesn’t negate all the Trust’s achievements and work over the years.

Awaywego wrote:

Never had faith in it that’s why I never joined it.

The idea of it is good but in reality as done very little down the years, but the set up of it did allow them and only them to challenge selling of the ground by claiming but was a community asset. More luck than judgement.
One of the only positive things they actually did was pushing 10 years for a fan director only to let it then fold within a year what were they doing.

No Trust+ no community asset,= No Club today .It was that important

[Awaywego]

Like I said more luck than judgement 64, you really must read the posts.

And I see no comment from you on the fan director position that was let go, you did read that they tried for 10 years to get one only to let it go in less than 12 months.
Don’t bull them up they’ve proved how shite they are, they show little direction if at all especially during Swanns final months, don’t think I’m wrong in that they condemned the pitch invasions and tennis ball protests, without an alternative strategy.

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ironlion82 wrote:

Well that’s cleared that up. According to the latest Trust News letter it was calls from Members requesting they set up a fund
Would that be Committee Members or ordinary Members ?

Not one person I spoke to today believes this explanation.

[Apollo11]

64 wrote:

ironlion82 wrote:

Well that’s cleared that up. According to the latest Trust News letter it was calls from Members requesting they set up a fund
Would that be Committee Members or ordinary Members ?

Not one person I spoke to today believes this explanation.

Same here. No-one believes it.

[Iron-awe]

Thought yesterday’s minutes applause went down really well, good thinking starting it a minute before 75 with Denton getting treatment gave supporters chance to concentrate on the job in hand and respect Kevin’s name. Lots of fans standing to applaud and great showing from the travelling Yeovil fans, a worthy tribute to a great player and a great bloke. RIP Kevin.

[Rene Artois]

Give the money back?
Have a rethink?
Put it to a vote?
Stand down their positions?
Bin Face for El Presidente?

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Rene Artois wrote:

Give the money back?
Have a rethink?
Put it to a vote?
Stand down their positions?
Bin Face for El Presidente?

Prediction: The organisation will pale into further irrelevance (other than the share ownership, which will eventually become quite a bone of contention).

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Rene Artois

[ironlion82]

Up to 8% of the target. £3759 raised so far !

[Rene Artois]

£106 donated in the last 11 days

£50k target
£46k short
If it were to continue at £300 a month … it’ll take 153 months to hit the target.

153/12=12.75

More or less 13 years (May 2040) to hit the magical £50k

It’s derailed. A train crash.

Refund the money to the donors.

[64]

It’s been a few weeks since I e-mailed the trust to leave,I’ve had no response despite asking for confirmation.. I wish them no I’ll will but am really disappointed in it’s direction

[64]

It’s worrying to seem backed into a corner here ,I don’t see how they get out of this mess.

[Apollo11]

64 wrote:

It’s worrying to seem backed into a corner here ,I don’t see how they get out of this mess.

They hand all responsibility / blame over to a steering committee and then eventually behave like it never happened. Methodwise, akin to the Hilton cheerleaders brazenly moving on from their complicity with zero accountability.

[MK Iron]

Are you guys being a bit harsh.

They probably did the wrong thing (certainly it’s not worked out) but I suspect they did it with the best of intentions.

They might communicate with the membership to gauge support levels before they go out on a limb next time.

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cassidystash

[Apollo11]

MK Iron wrote:

Are you guys being a bit harsh.

They probably did the wrong thing (certainly it’s not worked out) but I suspect they did it with the best of intentions.

They might communicate with the membership to gauge support levels before they go out on a limb next time.

A bit of a fundamental mistake to make in a union-type representative body, one which seriously undermines credibility.

[MK Iron]

A mistake yes but we all make those. Only my view but forgivable if the intention is good.

Infantino type mistakes where financial gain for oneself and ones cronies is a perfect example of the unforgivable type.

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[Iron-awe]

Well one thing people admire in others is honesty, if they made a mistake which it appears they did then come out and say so before addressing what to do with the money raised so far. If you hold your hands up and admit you got it wrong then in my experience people are a lot more forgiving, we all make mistakes sometimes.

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MK Iron, cassidystash

[cassidystash]

64 wrote:

It’s been a few weeks since I e-mailed the trust to leave,I’ve had no response despite asking for confirmation.. I wish them no I’ll will but am really disappointed in it’s direction

Put yourself up for election to the committee. Get on there and see they don’t make mistakes like this again. Cancelling your membership won’t help.

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I’ve deliberately steered clear Cass,I’ve been on here too long ,got into too many scrapes and thought I’d be more of a hindrance than help .I still believe that.
I’d like t point out that this one instance only served to hasten a decision I’ve been thinking on for a year or so.It wasn’t the reason I left the trust ,merely a symptom

[ironlion82]

I see in the latest Trust News letter it says the Go Fund Me was set up towards a Memorial Garden !
Correct me if I am wrong but I m sure it was stated it was to raise £50 k for a Statue !
So the Trust set up a Fund for a statue , donating £500 without consulting Members and now say it is for a Memorial Garden
Again please correct me if I am wrong but were Members consulted on this change ?
Who keeps making all these Trust decisions as the Members do not seem to be involved.

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MK Iron wrote:

A mistake yes but we all make those. Only my view but forgivable if the intention is good.

Infantino type mistakes where financial gain for oneself and ones cronies is a perfect example of the unforgivable type.

Sorry, this is wrong, in my opinion.

Human error is one thing, it’s acceptable. However, if a mistake is committed by an individual or individuals in the name of a union-style organisation, then accountability is extremely important – crucial – to the ongoing credibility of the organisation.

Although the mistake may be understandable at a human level (heat of the moment, shock, grief etc) and the organisation itself could be ‘forgiven’, that accountability means that the individual(s) making the mistake should consider their position(s).

It was a serious error of judgement to act unilaterally, and continuing with those that made it undermines the organisation.

That’s my politics on this, and I’ve yet to hear anyone else (let alone the Trust itself) say anything that could persuade me otherwise.

[MK Iron]

I respect your opinion and thanks for pointing out that I am wrong.

[North Lincolnshire Irons]

Wiithout The Trust we would not have a Club to support and supporters need to remember this. The Trust battled to get SUFC made a community asset and did far more than our directors towards this. Also making shares available for our fans to purchase. Alright, so this funding page for our Kevin Keegan has not taken off as expected but we need to remember many of our fans do not have sufficient money to put a large amount into this. Ask why have our directors, most of them in business, not put say £1000 in each to set the ball rolling. Let’s face it their matchdays are free experiences for them including food and drinks and guests whereas we everyday supporters pay for every matchday and support the catering and bars and purchasing programmes and merchandise. I keep asking myself are our directors putting enough funds into our Club for what they get out of it.

[Awaywego]

There was no battle to get the ground made a community asset, they just applied as they were the only ones who could and went through the normal due process.
As for the 4 owners they’re putting loads of money in whether it’s all loans I do not know.
As for Mr Collinson the other director?

[Northumbiron]

The go fund me page was not a bad idea.

The notion that enough would be raised for a statue was naive.

Run the GFM page for a finite period of time. See what’s in the pot and what can be done with it then email members to vote on the options.

Might keep people reasonably happy.

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MK Iron

[Iron-awe]

Can’t see the directors wanting to put money into a fundraiser run by an organisation they don’t seem to like, anyway they put plenty into the club be it loans or just goodwill cash.

[Rene Artois]

Put the money towards paying Stan off?
I don’t think Kev would mind?
Whatever’s best for the club!

[Iron-awe]

Rene Artois wrote:

Put the money towards paying Stan off?
I don’t think Kev would mind?
Whatever’s best for the club!

We are back to money Rene your going round in circles again.

[Awaywego]

Club should just disown this one, not of their own making, nor most Scunny fans either.
Just let it die a death.

[Simonsays]

North Lincolnshire Irons wrote:

Wiithout The Trust we would not have a Club to support and supporters need to remember this. The Trust battled to get SUFC made a community asset and did far more than our directors towards this. Also making shares available for our fans to purchase. Alright, so this funding page for our Kevin Keegan has not taken off as expected but we need to remember many of our fans do not have sufficient money to put a large amount into this. Ask why have our directors, most of them in business, not put say £1000 in each to set the ball rolling. Let’s face it their matchdays are free experiences for them including food and drinks and guests whereas we everyday supporters pay for every matchday and support the catering and bars and purchasing programmes and merchandise. I keep asking myself are our directors putting enough funds into our Club for what they get out of it.

Tell us you don’t know how much the directors have given and loaned the club without telling us you’ve got no idea how much they’ve loaned the club. Most of it they’ll never see again.

Believing the Iron Trust have done more to save our club than Michelle and co is both divisive and bonkers.

I’d much rather the Directors continue to plough money (take the fantastic pitch for instance) rather than a statue/garden for KK. I’d bet he would have done too.

Buy a few shares, attend the next Shareholders meeting and state your beliefs.

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