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He did tell me and I am sure he was right. Let’s say Marriott maroon.

Deereyme66 wrote:

I’m intrigued. What was the correct shade?

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Six years? I miss John Staff. He once stopped me to point out the shade of claret on my ‘50s retro shirt was incorrect.

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We are into February and they haven’t yet set up in their kiosk to canvass the views of the fans they purportedly represent.

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Agreed. Though I think the club did produce and sell season highlights on VHS from the first or second season at GP. (I have a couple somewhere). It would be great if a volunteer or a placement student could convert them to a digital format and upload to YouTube to preserve for posterity. That’s assuming the club has kept copies. It would certainly be a more productive use of free labour than removing hedges.

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Rene Artois

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Absolutely. Those clubs who have very limited parking options are based in town/city centres or otherwise well served by public transport. (Salford has no car parks and it’s a nightmare to find on street parking). Our ground is out of town and for many driving is the only realistic option. I know the club had no choice other than to hand over the land, but to do nothing in response is not an option.

Apollo11 wrote:

This is the topic in the interview which made me shift in my seat a bit. Just going along with the sort of “look at other clubs who don’t have parking, they manage” thinking is probably sleepwalking into big problems.

On reflection, it’s not in the club’s hands, and those ‘in charge’ did what they had to do to keep the club alive / secure the ground so it’s not their fault, per se.

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I am sure he is mostly harmless, though his schtick is wide open to parody.

64 wrote:

some pretty harsh comments, I don’t think he deserves most of them. He’s a minor irritation with his heart in the right place

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Agree with it or not, I can see no reason for removing the post. In my view, the poster makes some good, well argued points.

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He’s usually lined up to chip in post match with the other Fraggle Rock cast members. I enjoy watching Gareth gazing blankly into the middle distance while they give their match summaries.

CMC wrote:

Is it the Dave who was always on IA outside the Donny Road, or another one

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🤮

Awaywego wrote:

He’s even had his own “Positivity Dave” mugs made, gave one to Mr/Mrs Maw for services rendered.

Must admit I’m looking forward to the next “When Positivity Dave met” episode, most looking forward to the one that says When Positivity Dave met his maker lol.
Makes you wonder where them thumbs of his have been.

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I believe the covers were on last night and removed this morning to prepare the pitch. Pitch inspection due this pm as conditions likely to be similar in 24 hours. Sensible approach imo.
https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2026/january/pre-cautionary-pitch-inspection-taking-place-this-afternoon/

Awaywego wrote:

On to the football without starting another thread.
Anyone in Scunthorpe will have noticed their grass is frozen today, seems pointless to me to now put covers on yesterday maybe.
Anyway grandsons going down to help out, ps don’t say anything he’s going down without an adult lol.

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Awaywego

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Collins defines having a chip on one’s soldier as “a feeling of anger and resentment because you think that you have been treated unfairly in the past.” Now, I posted about the specific issue of the fans’ rep yesterday. In what way have I demonstrated anger and resentment in that time frame? I wouldn’t expect anyone to have done anything in response even if I had raised it directly with the club or VoF. (Today is a Public Holiday for starters). Also, given I seldom post here, I can’t fathom how you would form a view of my motives or personality beyond those shaped by your own values or prejudices?

Awaywego wrote:

From your posts you seem to resent that the club have not actioned on your thought on the subject.
From the club cosying up the vlogger, the club more or less taking the side of club elected voice of fans ie, Ryan. And the club not commenting on the matter or having words with said drummer.
That’s where I think your chip is Saleiron.
I myself have many beefs with the club and normally take action on them in various ways, you could well do the same on anything you feel strongly about and this is certainly something you appear to feel strongly about.
Anyway happy new year to you as well.

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Hilton spent a lot of money but did he ever “fund” that expenditure?

Awaywego wrote:

Not really I just hope they both succeed, just like I hoped Swanny would succeed when he was the owner, was fully behind him right up till he stopped funding the club and pretty much the same with Hilton up till he stopped his funding.

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I have nothing against Matlock fans, but Hilton should be nowhere near any football club. Sadly, it won’t end well. It never does.

Iron-awe wrote:

I believe the majority want Matlock to do well that does not stop some of us saying what we think about the owners style of doing things and how it has panned out before. I also think the majority still cannot believe he was allowed anywhere near a football club after our close call with oblivion after his stewardship of our club but it is just my opinion.

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I often speak to the elected, independent reps who are outside the ground (and unsheltered) every home game. But I may make my point politely and directly on Saturday-time permitting.

I wonder on what basis you consider me to have a chip on my shoulder. I haven’t got personal with you, so what’s your beef with me, champ? Happy you new year to all, btw.

Awaywego wrote:

Just in case you’ve missed it Saleiron the voice of the fans are going to be in one of the huts on Saturday for people to engage with wink, wink, nudge, nudge, your chairman is encouraging fan engagement don’t go against her wishes.
You’ve obviously got a chip on your shoulder relieve yourself self of it you never know you might feel better for it.

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I am not a fan of the current PM and have no political affiliation. I am very much aware of when and where this chant has been most routinely used. There is a world of difference between a PM being unpopular and drawing criticism, and this chant, which has developed very clear far right associations over the last 12 months. To paraphrase an old saying, not all who chant it are racist, but all racists support the chant.

BigLeftToe wrote:

Ok, thanks for confirming. Bit out of touch with reality me thinks. Our current Prime Minister is so disliked that even an impression of him was booed vociferously at the bloody Royal Variety Performance! Guess everyone in that crowd was a member of Britain First and a Tommy Robinson fanboy too.

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So what if someone explained to him politely and calmly? Then what? I can only assume he doesn’t understand or appreciate the connotations. I don’t know him, though I doubt he personally has any malign intent.

Awaywego wrote:

But the stand isn’t full of aggressive young men, it’s Ryan we’re talking about with the drum one the nicest young man you’ll come across.
Start lecturing him and your more likely to have the old bastard’s on your back who stand directly in front of him than any of the youth. And that’s only because they know him from home and away games.

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You know full well the sort of groups and people who favour this chant. So, yes.

BigLeftToe wrote:

So just to confirm my understanding, if you dislike the current government, particularly the Prime Minister, think he’s a bit of a w*nker and join in with a chant to that matter, then you are automatically associated with Britain First and are a Tommy Robinson fanboy?

Can someone confirm please?

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Thank you. I did consider this, though I don’t think it is my role to pick this up with the fans involved. I would hope that the club could comment on the matter and speak with the drummer as someone appointed by them as a fans rep. I am not sure I would have confidence in the wider VoF reps to deal with the matter appropriately if they have taken no action to date.

For those who think this is a trivial matter and/or agree with the sentiment, that’s your prerogative. I support free speech within the parameters of the law. So, if they want to use that particular chant, go and join others at BF or Tommy Robinson rallies. But let’s remember that the the club has a stated commitment “to promote inclusion and to confront and eliminate discrimination whether by reason of age, gender, gender reassignment, sexual orientation, marital status or civil partnership race, nationality, ethnicity (race), religion or belief, ability or disability, pregnancy and maternity and to encourage equal opportunities.” For me, this chant is not within the spirit or letter of that policy statement.

Awaywego wrote:

Why not contact Ryan and discuss or with the club for that matter.
Ryan or other voice questions.
voice@scunthorpe-united.co.uk

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Gurnelista

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Sadly, the offending chant was repeated last night in the first half. What was particularly concerning is that the drummer was acting as conductor. If I am not mistaken, he is one of the fans selected by the club as a Voice of the Fans rep. I think he also features in a promotional film for this seasons’s kit. If there is another drummer, then I stand corrected. Otherwise, the club really should disassociate itself from this behaviour.

Now, I am not naive enough not to realise that much worse is heard on the DRE. However, given the circumstances, this particular instance should not be ignored.

saleiron wrote:

I posted about this in response to the latest (Hartlepool) match vlog posting on the fans’ FB group. (I rarely post there). As it has been removed, I am repeating the post here. I think it’s an important issue, but the other place seems to want to sweep the issue under the carpet. See below.

“Disappointing that a chant that is most associated with the likes of Tommy Robinson supporters and Britain First was not only heard but also left in the edited version.”

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I didn’t think it was necessary to complete a declaration of interests to post on here? I would say my world view is left leaning, republican by instinct, but I have no political affiliation. Hope that helps, but it is irrelevant to my post. I don’t like racism, but I have no other agenda.

billpuntonsghost wrote:

We don’t have to be an “Einstein” to understand your political position .
I openly declare I am a “born again” Christian ,therefore receive hostility from non- believers ( not neutrality). You have an agenda which is Marxist in its worldview. Correct me if I’m wrong.

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I don’t recall hearing that chant on our terraces? You seem to be attributing wider views to me based on my position on an unrelated matter.

billpuntonsghost wrote:

racist groups?You don’t seem to have any problem with openly racist groups who chant “from the river to the sea” ,do you saleiron?

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I started going in the early ‘70s and some chants were horrific. Thankfully, most people have moved on.

Awaywego wrote:

To me chants nowadays are rather tame to what they were when I first started going in the late 60s.
Many were meant to offend so what!

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I assume you’re okay with sectarian chants as well as those associated with openly racist groups? I can normally avoid them by staying away from TR and and BF rallies, but I don’t expect to hear them watching my team.

j charles wrote:

Opened a can of worms there sailiron haven’t you. I repeat get a life. Just because your offended doesn’t mean your right.

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What a strange question. This is a Scunthorpe United message board and this is the one for footballing matters, yes? I commented on some fans’ chants at a Scunthorpe match. Do I need anymore justification for my post?

billpuntonsghost wrote:

How come over the years you have been on here,saleiron,you have never posted comments about adolescent schoolyard “ humour”etc at football matches or commented on non-football about Glastonbury, and other mass gatherings with offensive “ from the rivers to the sea” chants and the like? You seem to have your own personal agenda, it seems.

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That sectarian chant is just as offensive and it needs calling out as well.

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billpuntonsghost wrote:

By the way,Saleiron,I can think of a few chants ( if they had been shouted) you wouldn’t have started a thread to comment on.

Such as?

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sufc_not_on_tour wrote:

Cliff Byrne’s Right Peg wrote:

The Keir Starmer chant is pretty widespread now; Sky have had to go silent when it’s sung at the darts.

Must admit it was disheartening hearing it at a Scunny game, along with the pro- farage chants. The Tommy Robinson chant was sung by 20-30 young lads behind us, there was an angry response from half a dozen or so Scunny fans and it quickly stopped. I asked a young lad behind us why he was singing it and he didn’t have a clue, seemed embarrassed when confronted about it.

sad state of affairs and hopefully that shite can be self policed.

So, because YOU and the clown who was so upset by it that he felt the need to start threads on the subject insist it should be banned and no doubt think people who feel the need to chant should be silenced by the likes of you pair.
You do realise that is why the chants are sung, because of people like YOU!

Nobody suggests the chant should be banned. Try re-reading my post. 🤡

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And you think that any other party would have taken British Steel into national ownership?

Awaywego wrote:

And you need reminding the Tories under Johnson paid the bills while in administration for over a year that saved the steelworks from oblivion after Greybull, if it wasn’t for Labours green agenda they’d would have been no need for the Chinese to end buying the coal and iron ore and forcing Labour to act in the first place and who only acted through Reform pushing the issue. Did we ever here from our MP at the time, no not a bloody peep was left to reform and Martin Vickers the torry to lead the fight to save our steel..
( more than likely they’ll end up shutting the blast furnaces and end virgin steel in this country knowing Labour) twas also the Tories who agreed to fund 4/5ths of the money to buy the ground from Swanny.
If that’s the chant I hope they keep it going if anyone deserves it he certainly does.

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The offending chant was “Keir Starmer’s a w****r” to the tune of Seven Nation Army. This is the one you’ll hear at Tommy Robinson rallies and from Britain First rentamobs at demos outside hotels housing asylum seekers. We all know the sentiment behind it. Also, whatever its shortcomings (and there are many imo), those chanting it might need to be reminded that this government saved our town from certain oblivion back in April.

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I sometimes watch them to get an early sight of the match highlights. I can only assume the decision to leave in the offending chant was deliberate. Still, it seems the club is happier to cosy up with the vlog “curator” than those elected to represent the fans.

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