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Nicknames are fine. Can’t wait to hear.
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That’s fair. When I have been to Alty and West Didsbury & Chorlton, the songs have been far more inventive than you hear at league and ex-league grounds.
‘it’s a damning indictment of the modern game imo.’
I think that’s a bit general. More EFL and ex-EFL clubs in my experience. There are numerous non league clubs below us with a rich canon of amusing and inventive songs and and chants. Often self deprecating. Though they tend to be more left wing, liberal fan bases.
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I know the lad means well and some people seem to like it. Sadly, it seems to have established itself as a club endorsed “good thing.” The canon of chants and songs was far richer and more inventive in days of yore and some of that is down to the drum. If we need that to get an atmosphere going, it’s a damning indictment of the modern game imo.
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I am not suggesting any dressing room shenanigans (and this remains no more than speculation) should be public knowledge. However, that doesn’t stop us puzzling over why a no-brainer decision (i.e. recalling Howe) isn’t being enacted.
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A big test of Butler’a character and development as a leader. If something has gone on between him and Howe, he needs to sort it and get him back. I suspect Howe being hooked against Horsham was the flashpoint for any discord. Then again, Butler seemed to be lukewarm about him from the outset by repeatedly referring to it being his first season as a full time pro.
He’s in contract, he’s had a great season. Get him back.
If Farrell’s loan is not extended, Butler confirmed he has contingency plans. “We’ve got players out there who are on loan, who we can call back. We’ve got a plan B, C and D,” he said.”
Mmmmmm? Who could he mean?
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I can live with the increase if it helps to cover running costs without recourse to begging bowl initiatives such as the one for the pitch renovations.
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Amongst other things, Butler needs PR training. It comes across as immature and petty. He’s 42, so the young and inexperienced card has now expired. As you say, he should rise above it.
Butler has done a good job on the pitch, but he has a lot to learn with how to deal with fans of the club. It’s bizarre; he seems to treat anyone who says anything negative as the enemy.
Yes, some have gone overboard before with OTT criticism that have been proven wrong at times, but they are entitled to air their opinion and repeated jibes at them makes him sound prickly and insecure. It makes people want to stick it to him when form declines, as it did recently, through annoyance, so it serves a negative feedback loop for him. Such hyperbolic criticism from them is best ignored by him. Also, his arguments don’t leave leeway for constructive criticism, which he makes sound like it’s unwelcome.
Positivity Dave and the unity group are welcomed by Butler and the club because they give unwavering support no matter what. This may be preferred by the club because it is seen as nice and they can be surrounded by positive thought, but it insulates them. It creates a bubble. Sometimes we all need to hear scepticism to avoid mistakes. That is before we go into the divisive nature of some of these people, like Stuart Maw and Max Bell, who have stoked division, behind their curated image of just being positive about the club, by hurling unjust accusations against others and engaging in questionable social media habits.
This is so on the nail. 👏
One of the clearest signs of weak leadership is the need to be surrounded by yes-men. The moment someone only welcomes praise and treats criticism as disloyalty, they stop learning, stop growing, and start disappearing into their own ego.
History is full of examples of powerful figures brought undone by flattery, arrogance, and an inability to hear uncomfortable truths. Even in ancient Rome, there was a tradition during a triumph for a voice behind the victorious leader to remind him of his mortality and limits, often rendered as “remember you are mortal.” The point was simple: power, applause, and self-importance have a way of distorting judgment if nobody is willing to bring you back to reality.
Butler would do well to remember that surrounding yourself with sycophants may protect your ego, but it usually comes at the expense of wisdom, credibility, and sound judgment.
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Helpful trigger warning. Apart from Butler going off on this weird and unnecessary tangent in the first place, what was he seeking to achieve?
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The questions for me are more about whether or not have the foundations and, under the current ownership, a sustainable model financially? As a minimum, we need a complete overhaul of the pitch, our own ground staff as well as security over the future of our training ground. That’s before you think about the playing budget and re-establishing an academy. I would be as delighted as anyone if we got promoted this season, though I think it remains improbable. My worry would be that we are simply not ready to sustain League 2 football.
I would love to know more about the current financial position. Accounts should soon be filed for 2024-25 and I hope we get an update from the club then.
No.
Wealthier owners or additional opulent owners needed.
Current squad is sub standard.
A complete squad overhaul would be required for L2
Could the current owners finance that … outright … or … with more loans?
It’d be like trying to nail jelly to a wall in L2.
Consolidate, strengthen, continue rebuilding.
If we’re still selling scratch cards and having bucket collections – then we aren’t L2 quality.
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With Farrell doing well, I would send Carlton out on loan and recall Howe.
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I said much the same on X yesterday about the club’s failure to recognise the Trust. Bernard does fantastic work as leader of Irish Iron and deserves recognition, but so do the Trust. The bizarre thing about this as that many of II members will also be Trust members.
Neil was and still is a fan Deerey, and at the time you were the club basher not me I supported Swann.
On the club bashing itself its only their continued actions that get my goat, they’re the ones sucking up to different groups at the cost to others. And try selling us all types of snake oil at every opportunity. Selling us down the river with FC 100,000. They are not to be trusted imo.Take the latest on the Official web page, couple of pages on praise for the Irish irons £500 donation towards the pitch fund, did the trust get as much praise for their £13,000 share purchase.
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An elected, properly constituted fans’ group affiliated to the FSA seems to be valued less by the club than self-appointed uber fans such as PD. Sadly, the club prefers this engagement to listening to supporter elected reps who work quietly, skilfully and diligently (and with little recognition) for the collective good.
I don’t blame the VoF “reps”. They seem well meaning, though the fact they are club appointed undermines their ability to speak truth to power and act independently. I mentioned this to one of the “reps”, though this isn’t documented anywhere. (I also believe that one of the three remaining “reps” has only attended one home game this season, so I am not sure how they keep abreast of supporter views?)
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