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Don’t agree. Particularly with Restore taking votes from Reform and in a few years possibly Tories making a slight comeback, Labour are anything but cooked.

Yeah, which is why I added the last sentence. However, the country has serious problems with growth a feeling things are deteriorating, with slow increases in living conditions and everything costing more. This, coupled with things like social media polarisation and scapegoating has created a divided and unhappy nation, where there is no popular decision or willing to confront or accept tough decisions.

We have a lot of money spent on the triple lock pension and winter fuel allowance, with an elderly population, and this harms growth. These policies are OK from the principle, but there is a lack of understanding of the consequences in the current environment. Starmer tried to address this, and admittedly set the barrier too low and was forced into an embarrassing u turn, but he at least saw a core problem people weren’t willing to confront. People are disheartened by the economic slowdown, but also don’t like the hard decisions that may be needed to find money to address this. Young people want to have better access to housing, but new housing gets vetoed due to bureaucracy over small things, people want benefits cut, but the largest benefits are pensions, WFA etc. Yet going after that was met with outrage. Brexit has hamstrung the nation and every PM since has soon fallen foul because the decisions needed to be made are unpopular with our economic environment. Starmer has suffered with all of this, alongside his poor charisma, baffling decisions and a hostile press. I don’t see Burnham, or many other MPs, willing to tackle this and the same pattern will repeat, as it has done for every PM since 2016. He already tried to cater for the WASPIs with their unreasonable demands, only to u turn when it was realised how unfeasible this is. None of that, and other arguments made by him, make me think this is a man who can confront the tough decisions and will likely go down a route that may sound good in vibe from the outset among his supporters, but will soon face the reality of the state of the country. As it did with Starmer, and his u turns, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak.

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I think Labour are cooked regardless. The problems facing the country are too deep and we are very divided. I can’t see Burnham being able to address them and his talk and actions fill me with little hope. The saving grave from Reform may be a Reform-Restore split.

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Could get more embarrassing for Starmer now as Burnham wins Makerfield by 9000 votes with a 55% share of the votes cast, whatever your views on Burnham he is a very popular figure as opposed to his leader in Number 10.

Andy Burnham’s favourability rating is currently -11 with Yougov, declining and will likely decline further if he becomes PM and reality bites. That rating is higher than Starmer, but I have no faith that he would govern much better. His political games, all for himself, are partly why people are jaded with Labour and Conservative politicians and his ideas are weak and he’s already been u turning on statements.

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alcazar wrote:

England look like Southgate 2.0.
Tippy tappy across their penalty area, ten men behind the ball, no outlet, defending a one goal lead.

Won 4-2 though, so an exciting game.

Much has been made of the extra teams diluting quality, but many sides have been a challenge. Cabo Verde and DR of Congo getting good results. Only South Africa, Curacao, Tunisia and Paraguay have been bad so far.

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The current government is Starmer’s, not Burnham’s. No matter how bad Starmer is as PM, he has no obligation to act as if Burnham should just be able to walk into number 10. What is slimy and opportunistic is asking around for an MP to stand down to make way for a by-election that wasn’t necessary, but for the ambition of one person and making sounds about his own government decisions while not being PM. This is more Machiavellian than Starmer with Corbyn.

Some might say this is politics and ambition, but it’s not afforded tk those with the ‘wrong’ vibes.

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Didn’t say they were a good side. The fact that I said they had no end product should attest to that.

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If Scotland had 2 fantastic strikers they would have to play far better than that to get anywhere near 6 goals. It is all about the result though, not taking away that aspect, but Scotland’s performance was bad, while Haiti was spirited but with no end product.

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Gutted for Haiti. If they had any kind of end product that could well have been a draw. Scotland were very poor.

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Andrew Neil hasn’t forgotten – he has one on his head for hair.

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On a lighter note, ticks and fleas. At least mosquitos and horse flies are important pollenators, but these blights seem to have little ecological benefits.

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PD needs to control his mouth. Nothing harmful here to others, but loses him credibility.

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Veering slightly towards controversial territory, but trite phrases and self-declarations of belief that seem to make them sound more reasoable than the opponent. Even though it isn’t backed by evidence.

Examples include:

“I am entitled to my opinion” – Everyone is, but not all opinions are equal. If your opinion isn’t backed by evidence, then it isn’t as strong as one with evidence and clinging to this to try and make it sound like it is on a par is illogical and damaging for it to be accepted as some legitimate debating point.

“the right side of history” – How does anyone know what the ‘right side of history’ is? Events are usually morally complex and this trite phrase serves to shut off any self-reflection as whether their beliefs are correct. They can use this to assure themselves that they are to be remembered as the ‘heroes’ of today and everyone else as the villain, when it’s far more healthy to give benefit of the doubt to opponents, unless there is sufficient reason, and when their understanding may be proven to be wrong. Plenty of people in history thought they were on the ‘right side of history’ and were wrong. Just look at the eugenecists.

“Contrarian” – Thinking for yourself is valuable, but this often means “I will believe any old crap because it’s not mainstream and this makes me smart for not following the crowd.” Except there are plenty of beliefs that aren’t mainstream, and just because some people might just accept what they read as true, it doesn’t make opposite views right, nor does believing in fringe views make you some genius. What matters is whether your argument can be backed by evidence, which does often correlate with mainstream beliefs.

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Awaywego wrote:

Can’t really blame Trump for the USA holding the tournament it was awarded in 2018, now you can blame the swiss wop who sucks up to all and sundry. (Trump was president when t was given)
The equivalent to our Positive Dave giving away his little trinkets and taking every opportunity to have his photo shoot.

Mmm and the other points a I made about legitimate officials banned and fans who have already paid and are coming over to support their country being banned from the USA by the Trump administration, you are fine with all that I suppose. These are legitimate football fans who you always purport to support every other time?

As much as I dislike Trump, Russia 2018 and Qatar 2022 were worse decisions given the worse natures of their governments and human rights abuses. FIFA were always going to suck up to Trump when they sucked up to Putin and the Sheikhs.

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Iron-awe wrote:

Not sure where the CODs are getting information about our ticket sales from as we cannot find out ourselves about them, probably more close season bullshit I’m guessing, who knows who cares what codheads think anyway.

If you go on their forum, they’ve got a thread on Us, Hull and Lincoln pinned at the top. Only one missing is Grimsby’s most popular team, Liverpool.

500+ pages. Forever on their mind, but many of us think a lot about them, to be fair.

That said, the radio silence from the club is annoying. After last season I thought it was vital the club air something to build fan morale, but it has been the usual lack of communication which builds fan paranoia and concern, which will impact season ticket sales. And any questions gets the eye rolls and disdain from the board in favour of vague positive vibes from Positivity Dave and co that tell us little.

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Aye. There were plenty wanting to build statues or avoid healthcare, going from Facebook, for previous crap owners because of a herd mentality.

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From the new album

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Hopefully the club explanation forthcoming, that SST mentions, will give clarity and ressurance.

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Yep. I hadn’t read it again since the original and misremembered the details. My bad.

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The retainment announcement made it sound like he had signed an extension, so that is very poor communication from the club. After last season, I had worried that fans would get the jitters and the club needed good communication to keep up the good feeling. However, we have been met with the usual radio silence aalong with misleading information about players.

The club only seem happy with the fans to be part of the Positivity Dave happy clap; anything more is met with disinterest and questions met with disdain. It’s not good enough and this isn’t meant to slag off Positivity Dave. He has his place for people who like that, but we also need to know the club has a long term plan for improvement. We do want league football eventually. Leaving us to some smart videos with Iron Hour or Positivity Dave good vibes will only get you so far.

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You’ll be telling us that Christians don’t walk around with a ceremonial hammer and nails in their pockets no doubt.

Bit of difference between that and a kirpan, to be fair, and Christians have no obligation to go around with such items. That said, Sikhs don’t have a history of causing issues or actually using it as a weapon. Vickram Digwa was a loose cannon and booted from his Gudwara for being a menace. He and his family have behaved disgracefully, but should not be seen as a totem to unite hatred against Sikhs, who have assimilated well into British society as a whole, but you will always get bad eggs.

There probably should be an evaluation of how to proceed on kirpans in future because, even though this wasn’t a Sikh extremist attack so far as we know (more a nutter with a weapon), having access to weapons is a risk for anyone with violent tendencies. Like, if Sikhs boot someone for the Gudwara for such reasons, the person should waiver their right to have a kirpan for religious reasons being an example of possible reform.

The police definitely need to have an investigation because the protocols on what to do when someone says they’re stabbed was not followed and Henry was unfortunately treated with cynicism and disrespect. A combination of weariness, inexperienced police and cynicism towards those suspected of crimes (the police were called by Digwa, claiming he was the victim of Henry) played its role here.

I think this is a good comment on the subject:

https://x.com/Mr_Andrew_Fox/status/2061898033563074967

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Sure, people just stop paying staff, companies, stewards and more because of comments and thinking they have a right not to pay, not because they can’t finance a club like legit owners.

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Yeah, sure, someone who had viable money would let those CCJs and stewarding situation crop up. A few people being mean, criticising or asking questions is not a valid reason for stopping funding and not the most pathetic excuse ever, which should fool no-one.

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Dodgy Dave tried to shortcut because he didn’t have the money and was yet another case of him initially blaming rumour mongers. Then the authorities for picking on poor, beleagured Dave, who would have rights not to pay staff wages because of such nasty expectations of him to adhere to rules.

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His actions at Ilkeston or Matlock don’t absolve or change his dodgy actions here. They will always go down in infamy and his actions at Matlock are already causing some raised eyebrows.

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We scored enough goals to be a solid team, but we need to score more if we want to have a realistic shot of promotion. Defence was far too error prone though and was the bigger problem.

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Butler having a life outside of football? Disgrace! Butler out!

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https://x.com/KieranMaguire/status/2059628108475425166

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People online saying it’s a club in black and white who are signing him, but not of the fishy or Geordie variety.

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