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III is bang on. Swann was an idiotic ego, but wasn’t malicious in his motive of owning a club. Hilton was a crook. Very easy to not have a ‘begging bowl’ mentality when he had umpteen excuses for not paying those we owed money to, including Swann, and invoking mental health as to why he shouldn’t be expected to pay former players or non-playing staff what they deservedly had the right to.
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I think most fans would vote to keep it and I certainly don’t think the drummer should be banned.
This post has taken off on the Facebook group. “Miserable so and so”, fxxk the lefties says iron bru will have the drummer “stooped”, and there are complaints of slander against Positivity Dave.
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Well, at least it’s better than a drug pusher to kids.
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I don’t think it’s fair to say they are as contemptuous as the previous two incumbents, but they risk losing good will, as argued. They can’t ride on the coat tails of saving the club forever without scrutiny.
SOD makes very good points and I hope someone from the club reads it and takes it in the good faith it is intended. Their thinking is very binary; it is either you support everything we do or you’re a problem. Reality is more complex than there being two possible viewpoints. There are those who are overly negative and seem to like being seen as right in their downbeat opinion over being proven wrong and the club or player they criticise succeeding. However, there are those who see things in a more balanced light and will be critical when needed and with evidence. They too will be seen as the enemy by Butler and the board with their mindset. When Matt Blanchard had his questions asked at an AGM last year, the board noticeably groaned and pulled faces. I thought this was telling, unprofessional and pathetic. All questions were valid and what we needed to have answered. They don’t seem to understand that answering them well will build trust and not answering would not get rid of questions, but will build more concern. This is the problem of this mindset. It makes them more likely to make mistakes through lack of self-reflection, creates more concern among fans and generates a feedback loop where they see more sceptical voices and see more enemies, escalating the problem.
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It’s nonsense but I’ve seen posts on X by Matt Ellis to the sufcofficial account calling certain players “shite” and saying “get them out of the club now”.
Bigging up Iron Hour and the positivity fella are an easy way for Butler to hit back.For my sins, I listened to the interview. The over the top praise of some supporters and groups and the absence of others was ham fisted IMO. Defended Butler a lot regarding on field matters but personally find that particular ‘tangent’ Ollie referred to as disappointing and misguided. Positivity Dave wasn’t around during the Hilton era. Don’t know what he’d have made of the rightful questioning and criticisms but I’ve got a pretty good idea (see Stuart’s and others reaction and behaviour from that time).
The neglect of fan groups who made the effort to do something when times were bleak and had members who were rightfully sceptical of Dodgy Dave, in favour of some who were happy to slag off anyone critical, is poor. If we all happy clapped like Maw, we would have faced the doldrums. But, more importantly, Maw was more than happy to insult and slam others for scepticism, while never fully making amends. Sometimes people go too far with him, but he speaks as if he is an innocent victim in the division between fans when he was a massive stirrer of the pot.
Regardless of what we may think of Positivity Dave, supporting a 5th tier club cannot be reasonably called glory hunting. He is a bit naff, the club or Butler shouldn’t be treating him as a fan above others, but he is welcome to support the club.
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Butler has done a good job on the pitch, but he has a lot to learn with how to deal with fans of the club. It’s bizarre; he seems to treat anyone who says anything negative as the enemy.
Yes, some have gone overboard before with OTT criticism that have been proven wrong at times, but they are entitled to air their opinion and repeated jibes at them makes him sound prickly and insecure. It makes people want to stick it to him when form declines, as it did recently, through annoyance, so it serves a negative feedback loop for him. Such hyperbolic criticism from them is best ignored by him. Also, his arguments don’t leave leeway for constructive criticism, which he makes sound like it’s unwelcome.
Positivity Dave and the unity group are welcomed by Butler and the club because they give unwavering support no matter what. This may be preferred by the club because it is seen as nice and they can be surrounded by positive thought, but it insulates them. It creates a bubble. Sometimes we all need to hear scepticism to avoid mistakes. That is before we go into the divisive nature of some of these people, like Stuart Maw and Max Bell, who have stoked division, behind their curated image of just being positive about the club, by hurling unjust accusations against others and engaging in questionable social media habits.
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Maybe the spreadsheet and GPS showed something?
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We don’t need them to replicate the generation of the bad debt by dubious means for self-serving purposes.
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