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I have nothing against Positivity Dave, but people are allowed to think he is egotistical based off opinion. I cannot say if he is for certain, and don’t hold that opinion myself, but can understand how his antics might be interpreted as such, and it’s nothing to do with jealousy. That is based off your own opinion, and you’re welcome to it, but I don’t see why a negative opinion of Positivity Dave is always wrong.

As for Unity, they only ruffled me and many others because of the way they handled their inception, which was seemingly made it out to be a challenge to the Trust. Including from individuals who already caused division through insulting others for not backing Dodgy Dave. I couldn’t give a toss about how much money they make and would have zero issue with them being close to the club if they weren’t being divisive themselves.

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I was not trying to argue with you and wasn’t directing that as a point against you as if you were disagreeing on this aspect. It was more of an addition to add extra information for context.

Starmer has many faults. Expelling politicians for misdeeds, even if some might be harsh, is not the same as dominating over what should be independent media outlets so no dissenting views can be aired, making it resemble a propaganda network.

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Most of those comments are critical, without being hostile or malicious. Are we not allowed to have critical comments anymore?

I remember when such critical comments were dismissed as hatred of poor, innocent Dodgy Dave, while using that to excuse actual insults thrown at supporters for wrongthink. Being critical is not the same as calling others ‘parasites’ or ‘club killers’.

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The new guy is less corrupt and not wanting Hungary to be some Russian proxy, with bizarre fawning about being Putin’s mouse, and run the country like a racket. He is already talking about removing funding for populist right wing groups, CPAC and moving away from Russian oil. Which will no doubt have loons and bots online going on about how he’s a globalist warmonger supporting Ukraine.

A case in point about Hungary is that I believe today will mark Magyar’s first TV appearance because the media wouldn’t dare show him before, due to Orban influence. Now imagine a UK election where only Starmer would be allowed to be televised.

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Braintree’s logo seems different.

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That is true, but it may have been hard for him to have clung on. Hungary is part of the EU and there could have been dire repercussions if he tried to do a Maduro.

What did happen was severe gerrymandering, suppression of critical press and universities, spreading of conspiracy theories and eye watering corruption. At least he left when he did lose in a system that favoured him, but that is the bare minimum to be expected in a democracy.

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It’s a fair comment about Dennis Leary and a classic routine – well worth a watch. I doubt there’s a connection though. Or is there?

It must be confusing for the cliched ‘salt of the Earth’ understanders, like Spiked, to see all the jubilant Hungarians in the streets waving Hungarian flags in a display of patriotism and joy that Orban has gone.

Orban and his politics brought the biggest case democratic backsliding in the EU with a stagnating economy, but Hungary was laughably treated as a beacon of hope by the populist right like Venezuela was for the populist left. Vance going over there to campaign and spread conspiracy theories about Ukrainian election rigging saw the polls shift even more against him. Making out the man who was begging to be Putin’s little mouse was the saviour of Europe, when he was a corrupt shyster willing to get into bed with tyrants and spread baseless lies to try and maintain power. All their critiques of the EU for sovereignty fall on deaf ears when they make out this Russian shill was some great leader.

On that note, it’s interesting to see how many people got Orban money. Yet, I bet there are no grand conspiracies about ‘Hungarian lobbies’ controlling politicians or journalists.

https://x.com/karamballes/status/2043290986202202581

Fraser Nelson had an interesting article out this weekend detailing how Orban tried to bribe him when he was editor of The Spectator, but he refused it.

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Steve wrote:

So where’s he joking about cancer?

Aww you guys, Iron Bru not getting recognition anymore?

Matters enough for you to post the usual bitterness. It’s funny how those who bemoan the ‘toxicity’ and ‘bitterness’ of Bru seem the most bitter at anyone with a different opinion.

Though, I admit some have taken the Positivity Dave and drummer dislike too far.

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Trump is like the old man at a care home ranting away about how he is Napoleon. I am just waiting for him to appoint a horse as senator to mimic a Roman empire whose sanity he matches.

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Cryptic nonsense.

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Unity group creators did a lot to create division when they made snide digs at the Trust upon formation, while slandering and insulting fans who questioned Dodgy Dave at the time. That said, a public spat wasn’t the way to go about it. Though I don’t not know who initiated this referenced argument.

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Apologies Siderite should have explained better. I meant Rory Mahady as he is our only other option.
Agree though Rory Watson was finally playing with some real confidence by the time York did the dirty on him.

If Karma is a real thing we will beat Yoyk at Wembley in May with Watson cheering us on.

To be fair, I could have followed better myself, but I was always more used to Watson being called ‘Rory’ than Mahady, even though they share a first name.

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Rory made a couple of mistakes in 15 games or so but most of what he did was done with a confidence that settles defenders.

Aye. Our goals against hasn’t rapidly improved since his departure. Watson isn’t the greatest keeper on the planet, but was never this absolute disaster in this recent spell like claimed.

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Do we really need a running commentary on him? If he does anything untoward or brings the club into disrepute, fair enough, but the continued negativity towards his support for the club just appears snide snd cruel. Yes, he may be naff, a newcomer and his public departure and return are a bit self-indulgent, but he is still a person. Nastiness back is uncalled for; let him hoist himself by his own petard if you think he is bad news.

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Do you think known is spelt as ‘nown’? And gnome as ‘nome’?

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I do cater it to people who are literate and have the attention span greater than a gnat, admittedly.

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Our goals scored record is middling among the playoff teams. The issue is we have the most goals conceded of the top 7.

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64’s comment is fair and balanced. Repeating what my first sentence said in my original post, but I can see why Positivity Dave felt annoyed with some of the harsh comments. That said, there is no need for him, like others, to treat Bru as a monolith where no-one has anything different to say. I found his style cringeworthy, but harmless, though his cancer comment was below the belt. The problem is he gives the impression that calling him ‘cringeworthy’ would be seen as some massive slight akin to horrendous abuse. He is in the public sphere and that will get some fans of him, but also those who aren’t so keen. Sometimes those comments can tip to the harsh and cruel, but that’s the price we pay for free speech; so long as it isn’t defamatory or inciting violence against him, it can’t reasonably be censored. The melodrama to what was a handful of people commenting negatively also did him no favours. He made out a whole legion were against him, but it was just a few being really negative, and if that drives him away, maybe a public persona was never the right thing for him.

There have been some deragatory remarks from here towards the Facebook and Unity groups on here, so that won’t endear. Sometimes, like when calling them the ‘cult page’, it will understandably cause or escalate dislike against Bru, and I won’t claim to be innocent. However, it’s their whiter than white attitude that gets me, when they were more than happy to pile on Bru and others who were critical of Hilton. They wanted to attack others and make slanderous remarks, while playing innocent victims of bullying whenever they got it back. As 64 says, there were death threats and doxxing, amplified by that page and members of Unity, saying nothing against it and making out the trouble causers were those who dared to say anything against Hilton. This gave the impression that they thought criticising Hilton as something that deserved retaliation and that the nasty remarks made by some of them and the responses by Hilton were deserved. I lost track of the times critics were called ‘club killers’ or ‘parasites’ for what was questioning of Hilton or being critical.

Post-Hilton there was talk of a need to unite, and by and large I agree (though people like Herbert I find impossible to reconcile with, given their behaviour was worse than just being duped), but it has to be both ways. Some on there seem to think they can hold on to their grudges with Bru, from false claims of being Swann lovers, while expecting others to not feel badly over how they acted, when they were far more backing of Hilton than Bru ever was with Swann (I remember Swann getting angered by Matt Ellis making out he was like Fenty at Grimsby). It’s always others who have to adjust for unity, and never them. Yes, I am generalising, I don’t want to tar everyone by the same brush, and realise Bru hasn’t always been perfect with them, but any kind of division can only be healed if they make the effort too. Maw’s and others’ recent comments make me think they don’t think they have to and responsibility is for everyone else.

I did see Marco from Iron Hour say animosity between them and Bru is a thing of the past, so hopefully that is the case, and would be a positive. Time for Maw and others to do the same thing and accept that they have caused division over antics (which doesn’t make them bad people, necessarily), and maybe we can all do the same.

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The one person who believes in the FA’s owenership fitness test. If he had the money, he would have been able to do things like acquire the ground from Swann, instead of giving nonsense excuses (and that was before the ‘grief’). He didn’t need to be clever to fool the fools who did and still (in some cases) think a con man was some honest arbiter.

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Swann and Hilton didn’t go because of fans being critical, harsh or negative. Swann had no money to spend in the end, after gambling it on the club and with his own personal problems, while Hilton never really had the money to begin with and used the “fans are driving me away” thing as a guilt trip to keep his supporters on side and pass off the blame.

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Honest Dave won’t stick – the rest of us know how dodgy he was.

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We have had Dodgy Dave and Positivity Dave. Maybe you could be the next fundraising champion as Soapy Dave?

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Trying to be fair, there have been some negative comments to them previously, so I can understand them not liking Bru. It’s not always black and white and sometimes comments are disagreeable. However, that is the price we pay for being able to share an opinion. I have never understood why they cannot ignore such comments. Comments have rarely been truly defamatory and, if they have, they have been deleted.

It’s all too easy nowadays to wag fingers at everyone else and blame them for problems arising, like division. They speak as if they have been nothing but kind to others and got only vitriol in return. Yet, Maw was eager to call others parasites because they didn’t support Dodgy Dave. Yes, he said he was wrong in backing him, but has done little to curb his attacks on others and seems oblivious to how his own actions harm the reputation of himself and those around him, with his vaunted fundraising that he crowed about sometimes going to benefit his own group only and seedy messages to young women. He would lump any criticism of this with any insults, which makes it hard to take his outrage seriously, and think it’s because he doesn’t like dissent.

Positivity Dave doesn’t have that level of baggage, but is seemingly cut from the same thin skinned cloth, where any negative feedback is met with a melodramatic outburst and display for pity about how he is a victim. I thought he was harmless, but naff. However, yesterday’s outburst shows he is another one whose ‘positivity’ masks an inability to think about others. Like Maw’s ‘parasite’ remark, his ‘cancer’ comment is nasty. Even if some of the comments on here have been overly critical, that’s not how you respond, and someone who is truly not to blame for any division would not stoop to that level.

The group’s entertaining of Herbert is beyond the pale though. This is a guy who acted as a mouthpiece for the crook who nearly killed our club, went out of his way to smear critics and pushed drugs to kids. Any moral high ground they attempt to take is laughable when they treat him like the affable forum clown. He’s far more toxic than anyone on Bru.

After Hilton there was a general consensus of needing to unite and not hold on to grudges. Some maybe haven’t, but with that, those who feverishly backed him need to take accountability. Many on there love to portray Bru as this pantomime villain, painting everyone under the same brush because one or two post negative and sometimes cruel things, but won’t do anything about their own behaviour. Many of them won’t do anything about this holier than thou attitude that they have had for years. Never mind that this caused them to be blind to faults in Swann and Hilton, and those they chastised as club killing parasites were right. Can some people on here improve in how they frame matters? Yes, but so can they, so less of the talk of ‘toxic Bru fans’ is needed, especially after this rhetoric of theirs caused them to clap along to the club’s near oblivion, and they still can’t look at themselves and take the slightest of self-reflection.

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The nasty bullies at Bru will have driven him away by showing him calling others cancer.

In all seriousness, I didn’t have a huge problem with him and felt others were too harsh on him, but people are allowed a negative opinion of others. I don’t get why he couldn’t have just ignored anything he didn’t like. It’s not like anyone was piling on him in real life or sending him abusive messages, so far as I am aware.

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Ol Positivity Dave doesn’t seem to take kindly to criticism.

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Any association with Herbert from the club, the unity group or Iron Hour needs nipping in the bud. He is a ‘toxic element’ and will create division, never mind is association with drug pushing to minors.

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