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May 18, 2026 at 12:19 pm #320901
Spent some time in London this weekend our favourite pubs on the outskirts of Soho were inundated by Ewok Powell’s knuckle draggers,they even try to be aggressive asking for a pint at the bar FFS.
Britain is a great place ,these people hate Britain,perhaps they should go live somewhere else?1 user thanked author for this post.
May 18, 2026 at 2:12 pm #320907You mean the “Unite the Kingdom Rally”?
There’s a special kind of irony in that!
“We’re here in our millions!”
Really? There were more inside Wembley Stadium watching the Cup Final.
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May 18, 2026 at 3:22 pm #320908There seems to be a lot of hate and venom in society, with a lot of self-righteous justifications from those engaging in it and finger wagging at everyone else. It’s depressing and what gets me is that kids are being brought up with this hate in some cases:
https://x.com/RadioGenoa/status/2055589346221191560
Now we have fevered anti-Muslim conspiracism from the speakers, but we are told they are just proud patriots who are only wanting to wave their flag and show pride in the nation. Patriotism does get unfairly sneered at sometimes, some Islamic ideologues do preach hate, but not all and ‘legitimate criticism of Islam’ should be based on a rational defence of secularism against its worst aspects, not anti-Muslim bile based on them being the evil other:
https://x.com/HomoSocialist/status/2055714039049638188
Oh well, maybe there’s a grim point of unity for some of the Unite the Kingdom and counterprotesters. Frothing anti-semitic conspiracies:
https://x.com/hearnimator/status/2055618906060968426
They can sing a Tim Minchin style tune of “we don’t like Jews, you don’t like Jews. Maybe we can not like Jews together.”
May 20, 2026 at 7:28 pm #321004How do those against the march feel about the repeated chants of, “Shoot him in the neck like Charlie Kirk”?
Hate speech?
Inciting violence?
Or acceptable because it’s coming from the extreme left?May 21, 2026 at 12:23 pm #321032Of course it’s unacceptable. No one in their right mind would condone that sort of thing. Chants about shooting someone, hanging someone, or glorifying violence are vile, whether they come from the far left, the far right, or anyone else. It isn’t “banter”, it isn’t legitimate protest, and it doesn’t become morally acceptable just because the target is someone people dislike.
But that doesn’t suddenly make the far-right marches harmless either. Two things can be true at once: violent rhetoric from counter-protesters should be called out, and far-right marches built around fear, grievance and hostility towards minorities should also be called out.
The problem with these “patriotic” rallies is that they often try to wrap resentment in a flag and call it love of country. Real patriotism should mean wanting a decent, safe, fair society for everyone who lives here. It should not mean marching through the capital looking for enemies, blaming whole communities, or pretending racism becomes respectable if you put “Unite” on the banner.
So yes, condemn the violent chants absolutely. But don’t use them as a distraction from the wider issue. Hate doesn’t become acceptable because it comes from “your side”, and patriotism doesn’t become noble when it is being used as cover for far-right bile.
May 21, 2026 at 3:38 pm #321036“Real patriotism should mean wanting a decent, safe, fair society for everyone who lives here”
Ah, you mean like the two tier justice system we seem to have currently?May 21, 2026 at 3:55 pm #321037If by “two-tier justice” people mean the rich, powerful and well-connected often seem to get softer landings than ordinary people, then yes, I’d agree there’s a serious problem. Access to better lawyers, influence, money and status absolutely affects outcomes far too often.
And if people are talking about grooming gangs, then yes, there were grotesque failures there too. Victims were ignored, authorities looked the other way, and too many people appeared more concerned about reputational damage, community tensions, or being accused of racism than they were about protecting vulnerable girls. That should shame everyone involved.
No one in their right mind would condone that. No one serious should excuse it, minimise it, or pretend it didn’t happen.
But acknowledging those failures doesn’t mean we have to accept every far-right narrative built around them. There is a huge difference between saying “the police, councils, social services and courts failed victims and must be held accountable” and saying “therefore whole communities are suspect and far-right marches are justified.”
That is where these marches become so poisonous. They often take real scandals, real anger and real institutional failure, then twist them into something broader and uglier. The victims become props in a grievance campaign, rather than people who deserved protection, justice and dignity.
A fair justice system should apply the same standards to everyone. Grooming gangs, violent mobs, corrupt officials, racist thugs, political extremists, abusive men, negligent authorities, whoever breaks the law or fails in their duty should face consequences. Left, right, Muslim, Christian, atheist, black, white, it should make no difference.
So yes, let’s talk honestly about grooming gangs. Let’s talk about institutional cowardice, policing failures, safeguarding failures, sentencing, and the uncomfortable facts people avoided for too long. But let’s not pretend marching through the streets under banners of resentment, intimidation and anti-Muslim hostility is the same thing as demanding justice.
Real patriotism isn’t demanding special treatment for your own side. It is wanting the rules applied fairly, even when the facts are uncomfortable and even when the people being punished are people you might normally sympathise with.
So yes, let’s talk about fairness in justice. But let’s not let “two-tier justice” become a slogan that excuses one mob by pointing at the failures around another. Hate does not become acceptable because it is attached to a legitimate grievance.
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May 21, 2026 at 4:03 pm #321038I have often thought that there is a need for a liberal patriotism because why care for the country and want things to improve if you don’t care about the country? It will make anyone suspicious of your motives if you display a disdain for patriotism, so those who aren’t fully on your side will be put off without it. However, it has to be married with a respect for people liking representations of their country, like the flag. I don’t think it is convincing enough to others that true patriotism should be talking about having a society that looks after all; it needs to have some pride in the country and less sneering at people for ‘flag shagging’ or whatever.
I am not calling for flags at every school or anything like that, but less sneering at those that do would be better in convincing others that liberals or the left don’t have disdain for pride in the UK, and would make people less vulnerable to turning a blind eye to radical voices on the right presenting their bigoted ideas as just about showing pride in the country.
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May 21, 2026 at 4:14 pm #321039I’ve represented both England and Great Britain at endurance events across Europe, and I can tell you I’ve never felt anything but pride wearing the official kit. The pride I felt wasn’t about hating anyone else; it was about representing values I genuinely associate with the best of this country: fairness, decency, courage, tolerance, humour, respect for others, standing up for the vulnerable, playing by the rules, and treating people as individuals rather than as stereotypes.
That to me, is patriotism. Not shouting at minorities. Not turning victims into political props. Not pretending that waving a flag gives you permission to intimidate people. Real British values should mean equal justice, not selective outrage. They should mean protecting victims, punishing offenders, and refusing to let extremists, whether far right or far left, hijack legitimate anger for their own agenda.
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