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I would support the Cods rather than wear a PD wristband.
Opening fixture result often tells very little about the coming season.
In our 4 years in National Leagues we have won every opener. Twice the teams we beat away from home on opening day went on to be champions.
In our only home opener we beat Yeovil fairly comfortably then only managed 31 more points in 45 games. Yeovil of course were relegated as well.
Still a win is always a good way to start a season. Going for a 2-1 to the Iron.
Boreham Wood allegedly turned down £1m offer for Abdulmalik and claim he’s not for sale.
They are obviously getting some serious funding from somewhere to beat our playing budget and turn down offers like that on average home crowds of 1100.
Shows what we’re up against trying to get out of this league at the right end.
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Teams often drop into the shape without the ball to facilitate a mid or low block.
Has its merits when you’re trying to pinch a result against a superior side. Had a bit of a renaissance in the World Cup where the increased competitors meant more games with teams of mismatched capabilities.Virtually extinct as an attacking formation with the ball. Back in the day it worked best with a traditional style centre forward who could get the ball under control any find his tricky and speedy partner.
We have neither of the above so probably not a great idea for us.
I think it will be the 4-3-3 or 4-2-1-3 that Butler usually deploys when he’s not tinkering with 5 at the back. I think the 5 at the back can work to hang onto a score for 10 or 15 minutes. As Tuchel recently demonstrated not such a good plan for 40 minutes which Butler gets tempted to do at times.
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Daft but quite addictive
I think Alcy was referring to the season before.
‘The defence looked all at odds a couple of times’.
I’m intrigued by this point Apollo as, according to Stuart Maw, the defence looked ‘solid and composed’
Would you say apart from those couple of times, it was okay?. Or is ‘strong and composed’ over positivity talking?
The truth of the matter is Chesterfield could easily have had 5 or 6 and should certainly have had 2 or 3. Which does not suggest solid or composed.
In the interest of balance and positivity the Iron could have had 3 or 4.
Lots of things to be positive about the performance but the defence being solid/strong and composed was not one of them.1 user thanked author for this post.
Alas Smith and Jones.
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To get to last seasons levels we have got to somehow replace the 20ish goals and 10ish assists Roberts typically contributed.
Pat Jones has impressed in many ways but does not look a consistent goal scorer. Hurst looks livelier than last season but final ball (be it cross or shot) seems to be his weakness.
Butterfield is good for a few but nowhere near what is needed and realistically he’s not going to get a lot of minutes. Smith if he gets back to previous levels will get a few but we’re probably talking single figures.
Other than Whitehall I am only seeing Dec Howe and Beestin as natural goal scorers who could potentially get double figures.
I think it’s probably now or never for both in terms of becoming regulars under Butler.
Beestin suffers from playing too many positions. For me he is an attacking midfielder or a 10 and give him 40 games there and I think he will give you 10 or 12 goals and a similar number of assists. He is too slow to excel as a wide forward and not physical enough for centre forward in this league.
With Dec he is a centre forward but only in a team that does not play long up to him. Also if you play him there you lose Whitehall’s 20ish goals and his comedy value.
Not really quick enough to play traditional wide forward role in Butler’s favourite 4-3-3. Not really a great partner for Whitehall in a 4-4-2 either as Whitehall is even slower.
I’m with NI and think it’s time to give him a go on the right of a front 3. He looked lively in that position last night.
Starbuck/Rose/Ogle/Belahoun/Barrows all have the pace and/or drive to constantly overlap Dec and provide the genuine width that he does not really offer.Give it 10 games Andy with Dec as a 7 and Alfie as a 10. You know it makes sense.
If you were judging purely on last night’s 120 minutes Campbell would be wearing the number 1 shirt next Saturday.
Jones made 2 cracking saves that he brought upon himself being slow to come and collect through balls comfortably within his reach. Had that nervy look he showed in his early appearances last season.
Campbell made 2 or 3 cracking saves from chances that he didn’t contribute to creating.
Punched with authority 2 or 3 times and came out decisively at the feet of one of their forwards.One swallow a summer does not make but if you knew nothing about either and just watched that game the choice would be simple.
Pitch looks fantastic by the way.
On a more serious note fantastic player and taken too soon.
Statue anybody?
Nothing wrong with 70 something IA.
Means you’re old enough to remember when popular music was good.
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Pat Jones the stand out individual performer in the 3 games I have seen.
He’s not Cal Roberts but for me if he is fit he starts.
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Iron centre backs that have never killed a squirrel?
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My take on last night was that the first half was the possibles and the second half the probables.
Slightly worrying was the possibles won their half against a fresh and hard working team 4-1 whilst the probables drew their half 2-2 against a tiring side that didn’t have many substitute options.
I would assume Evans will join his vice captain at CB for the Chesterfield and Yeovil games with Horton moving to left back in place of Barrows.
That would give us a starting 11 of:
Jones
Ogle Howe Evans Horton
Rose Rowley Gale
Smith Whitehall JonesI almost agree with that line up although would probably put Rose at RB and Richards in midfield.
Still leaves Beestin, Butterfield, Brennan, Hurst and Richards as potential subs which is a very much stronger bench than last season.
Probably all wrong and Andy will do as Cass suggests and squeeze 5 centre backs in.
Seen 3 of the pre season games and pretty much agree with your thoughts PA.
I’m encouraged that 5 at the back was conspicuous by it’s absence last night. Of course Butler might throw it back in the mix on Friday.Seems to have a bit of an understanding about football so probably not Gianni NI.
On that basis we can probably exclude Fansy and WG from all suspicion.
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On the fanbase app.
Senior moment SST. I seem to vaguely recall entering the World Cup league included this season.
Am I correct or do I need to join?
I think you might have missed out the “in my opinion” bit Apollo. As Deery quite rightly pointed out to me recently after one of my posts that was a little dogmatic.
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Iron Trust have donated £500 to the GoFund me page.
Saw it when I chipped my £20 in.
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Heath and Cassidy legends I would agree.
Head and shoulders above the rest at that time. Angus possibly. Barnard, Kerr and Deere were good but not legends for me.
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They certainly were Sensational live.
Only bettered by the Who and Rory Gallagher out of the many bands I saw live in the 70’s.
I guess the Keegan as an Iron legend is a matter of timing.
I was about 13 when he joined and I used to go to junior and reserve matches as well at that time so pretty much saw him in every home game in an Iron shirt. Often went with Vinnie Grimes who was a mate from school. First time we saw him Vinnie said “first team material” and he was. Not because he was super skillful but because of his amazing workrate and fearless attitude.
Every time you saw him he was just a little bit better which is something he kept doing for much of his career.Spoke to him 2 or 3 times and just seemed a very enthusiastic but ordinary guy.
Very much an Iron legend for me. How many other players joined the Iron as kids and went on to be genuine world class and one of the best players of his generation? Clemence the only other to get anywhere near.
Legend for me certainly.
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Finishing second to a team with a quarter of the budget was not too impressive but he redeemed himself by winning the playoffs.
Did well last season in the National League so absolutely deserves another shot. Alarming we have spent half of pre season playing his beloved 5 at the back again.
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Selective memory IA. There was much complaining when his insistence on 5 at the back with a squad unsuitable for the tactic was delivering dire football and poor results.
A few on social media called for his head but most were calling for a change of formation. Even at Scarborough when he bolstered his 5 at the back with Evans playing in midfield in front of them against a bang average team there were no Butler out shouts. When we went out of the cup against Guisley without having a shot worth the name fans still bit their lip. I accept at half time after a desperately poor half against relegation threatened Marine then about 30 of the 5 or 6 hundred away fans booed Butler back to the dugout. There was a few of these individually requesting Butler do one. I didn’t join in but certainly felt he was likely to be “sacked in the morning”. Watching one of our 5 defenders (Nicholson) handing a goal to their loan forward whilst we failed to create a chance at the other end tends to only end one way.
Lady luck stepped in during the second half with the ref giving us a very dubious penalty and their centre half gifting Whitehall another one. That’s the centre forward and leading scorer that came on in the second half having been dropped for some reason only one person will ever know.I have heard from someone that claims to be ITK that Butler was told at that point to change the formation. I prefer to hope he finally spotted the obvious and actually changed his mind.
No matter the quality of football improved as did the results and the rest is history.Any pressure on Butler was a result of his own pig headedness.
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According to one site I saw we had 4 shots in the game. 2 of those in the last 5 minutes and none of the 4 on target.
Buxton had 20 shots with 11 of them on target.
I withdraw my comment after the Brigg game that we looked to have a bit more strength in depth this season. -
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