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Oh yes, it is impossible to change usernames between forums, isn’t it?

“You weren’t on there either from what I remember.”

That must mean I am a meddling Bury fan. Dun, dun, dun!

In reality, outside of this nonsense, I was for a bit under a separate username.

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Those who became paranoid said that. The original comments I saw said nothing of a permanent move to become Ilkeston Iron. These training/operations rumours were true. As are the ground issues. However, these were all ‘rumours’ because Hilton said so.

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I am no fan of anti-Catholic discrimination either. However, the particular tale of Jews being some fiendish cabal in control of people’s lives is well trodden and has been used to excuse their oppression, by making out the anti-Semite isn’t being anti-Semitic, but opposing some great threat to their people.

I am not directing this at you or accusing you of anything. I just don’t think it’s a good idea to talk about a government being above criticism when this isn’t about criticising a government. Those who assign ridiculous conspiracies to Israel controlling others and such aren’t doing it through legitimate criticism (which is what I was mocking), they do it because they use Israeli as a euphemism for Jews, essentially. They don’t do it about other nations. I am yet to here about fiendish Serbian, Jordanian, Congolese, Peruvian or Vanuatuan conspiracies in controlling others.

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The Soros stuff is highly reminiscent of the Rothschild conspiracies.

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As a previous Pink Floyd fan I’m no apologist for the wandering mind of Roger Waters.
However, is any government, on this mortal coil, completely above criticism? I think not.

No-one has said otherwise here. His fever pitch nonsense plays into anti-Semitic canards about Jews controlling the world. All too often some say such is just legitimate criticism of Israel.

There is nothing wrong with criticising Israeli government decisions, but the global Israeli conspiracies, desperate comparisons of Israeli actions to the Holocaust etc are not reasoned criticism and come from a hatred of Jews.

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To be fair, they were right about the proposed Ilkeston move and ground issues, which were dismissed as rumours because Hilton once said we are definitely playing at GP next season.

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Up the squatting burner account lovin Iron!!

I was just thinking; I am surprised Dave’s mates haven’t tried to join here in order to cause trouble.

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AA was on here in the old forum days, so he is a fan.

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Somehow Morrissey has managed to have been defeated in the biggest arsehole in music competition.

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We can always use Everest Road playing field. I am sure the added fun of dodging missiles from the local youths and sprints to stop carjackers from taking the players’ flash Land Rovers or Mercedes-Benz will add some extra routines to training day. ;-)

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That is 18 months of actual groundwork and construction. The site was identified in 2004, an agreement was identified in 2005, while it took three further years for planning permission to be granted. We’re in the sort of stages Chesterfield were in 6 years before they played their first game at their new ground.

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Don’t forget the extra 500 to beat Swann’s white elephant in the battle of the bruised egos. :-)

To be fair, I am not too fussed about capacity. 5k is low if we ever aim for the league again and 12k isn’t too much larger than 9k of Glanford Park.

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I guess it all could be false how happy would you be just saying

If our club failing would make me happy I would be cheering this all on, not complaining about it.

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Yep. His comments about the ground were false, so what else might be? For the last few weeks we have been assured that we can rent Glanford Park based on his word, with any doubt dismissed as rumours. Now we find out that isn’t necessarily the case.

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I have no idea as to why this isn’t the best day for me on the forum to be honest.

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I am perfectly chill. Expressing opinion does not equal flustered.

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Yes, though we have no idea as to what’s gone on. Swann will have a different story I am sure, and I can’t blame people for not trusting Swann. Though, it doesn’t mean he’s in the wrong, necessarily.

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I’m aware much of this is a repeat, but I don’t think the groudshare and stadium plans are.

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Hopefully that all comes true. Interesting to see a plan B, so that should at least steady nerves about us being able to play somewhere, but I suspect it’s the most likely option. Also, it might be for a longer term than advertised given that the chances of us having a new stadium in two years is slim.

There would have been far less panic if Hilton had relayed this to the fans far more clearly and with this detail (he’s obviously happy for this to be made public) sooner and through official means. I don’t see why an Iron Hour podcast member has to reach out to him for us to know anything. Communication in such trying times is key.

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Has this been confirmed?

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The BBC is mostly liberal, rather than left, though they have devoted a lot of time to appear balanced by appeasing the right. Hence why figures like Farage became ubiquitous without UKIP having any elected MPs at the time* and only interviewing Le Pen in the French elections. I fail to see some left wing agenda when they do stuff like this.

*Compare and contrast that with how the Greens get coverage when they do have an MP and more councillors now.

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It is that, and fine if you like it, but when a key member starts spreading rubbish about like Max has done, it’s out of order. I’ve noticed other members of it chipping in with occasional digs on Twitter too. Anyway, made my point, just my opinion. Don’t want to labour it.

Fair, though I had thought the others had toned it down since making it and getting messages of good luck from IB.

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It does amuse me to see Iron Hour get criticisms for being weak on critique and soft on Hilton after the way 3 of the 4 have had a go at Iron Bru for being too weak on Swann (I don’t think Gareth has, to be fair). However, I don’t see anything to suggest that they are some club sponsored mouthpiece.

That said, I do agree that the style isn’t for me and it is unlikely to yield any productive critique of the situation. It does just seem to be a group of lads drinking a beer, while cracking jokes and the occasional Iron talk is thrown in.

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I agree, but the punishment for some involved seems large compared to other crimes.

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OK, where are the rumours coming from SST and his ‘links’ with Swan then?

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Cliff Byrne’s Right Peg wrote:

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Misinformation, lies and abuse getting tossed around today

If you are suggesting that people questioning the chairman only deal in facts IB then you will quickly lose credibility in my book.

Noticed you’ve been selective with the posts.

Which individuals and on what platforms are you referring to? Some examples would be appreciated.

Twitter.

Start with 1500 club, although I notice he deletes most of his tweets. Dropshort would be another good one to have a look at; he in particular seems to have it in for Simon Elliot.

On the other side of the coin you’ve got the abusive burner accounts popping up and then being deleted soon after.

Equally, those attacking fans for dislike or worries over Hilton. If his plans are any good they’re not going to be derailed by a few expressing incredulity on social media.

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I’m sure we all know what Max Bellend can go and do. And from a bloody great height too!

Max may be many things, but let’s not be like this.

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It can’t possibly be because it was unworkable and those pushing it had no intention of being up front with the challenges, and instead resorting to finger wagging and waiving liability like above. We left with a ‘hard Brexit’ and it’s still not good enough, apparently.

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