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It’s all getting a bit silly over there. Doxxing and threats to fight from anonymous pro-Hilton accounts and cryptic comments from someone anti-Hilton. There’s your toxicity.
That was said under Swann. Anyway, the options aren’t just blindly support Hilton and refuse to listen to criticism or he goes.
I am happy to give Hilton a chance, but I am not going to blindly agree with everything he does. He’s a football chairman, not a cult leader.
As for rumours, if they can be substantiated we should take heed. Much isn’t, which is the problem. Those making accusations need to be more wise or not spread malicious and damaging gossip (if untrue). However, if they are true, I won’t be following someone like that like a lemming.
I sense a busy day for SST.
These trolls are odd. They could be Hilton or his associates trying to big himself up and sow division among critics. They could be people against Hilton trying to cause trouble. They could just be idiots doing it for a laugh. No matter what, we should give them no heed, regardless of our thoughts on Hilton, as these are the people trying to divide the fanbase when they are probably not Scunny fans.
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Do you actually know or is this more supposition? A lot from that document is supposition.
I saw it. Very concerning.
Is Mixu Paatelainen available? :-)
Matt, for Christ sake close this thread down mate, it has become a slagging match between Xxx and Siderite, they are stating their same things over and over again, it is never ending rubbish and pointless
Yeah. I apologise for not letting it rest when I should have, instead of dragging it on.
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‘Ironforever99 has a bit to say about the abuse.’
Saw some of the earlier posts Forever Iron made but not the last one. Are the burner accounts threatening physical violence happening again then? I mentioned this disturbing trend last week. I saw them, as I’m sure others did. Took some screenshots for what good it’s worth (probably nothing). There’s the toxicity, right there. Not people questioning or criticising the owner.
https://twitter.com/Ironforever99/status/1650496597107654657
If that has been the case, you have completely proven my point about sowing division among fans from yourself. Fortunately, I can move on and you overestimate your ability.
Showing me up by lying. lol. I have maybe reacted longer than I should, but I am not the one attacking other fans, blaming them for potentially Hilton leaving and sowing division. I am not the one who has been shown to be lying to try and make out it’s me attacking fans for a different view. ;-)
Not really. I am just amused at showing your own dishonesty. YOu love trying to sow division among fans.
Oh well, you have just wriggled. There goes my expectations. Liar.
I probably should have explained myself more clearly, but I meant those who want to support Hilton without paying heed to concerns our questions. Still, at least you haven’t wriggled out of your lie and it’s not me attacking other fans, sowing division.
And, no, you said I want us to fail. Which I don’t. I am in Hilton’s group 2.
Those who want to support Hilton can do, but attacking our fanbase is too much.
From my first post here. Liar
I have. I have said people can support Hilton and I am fine with that. I have read yours and saying fans are allowed to criticise or slam Hilton on twitter because of free speech (not meaning I agree with such slamming) means “I want the club to fail.” Yeah, I am not agreeing with you. It’s you sowing division by slamming fans here, not me.
I have not lambasted people for being pro Hilton, while you have slammed me for not being sufficiently pro Hilton, so I don’t agree.
You’re not, but then explain you are.
I want Hilton to succeed, I hope he does, I am not buying into some of the doom that he’s already proven himself a wrong un. It’s too early for that and all this talk of him not having the money by the end of May is speculation as it stands. I hope we can bounce back, think we can if Hilton gets decisions right. Yet because I have some concerns and poor judgements on his decisions I am causing division. Not you for slamming people for daring not to treat Hilton like he is untouchable? And this me wanting him to fail? Thinking like this is driving Hilton out, apparently. I would say it’s that causing division, because you’re the one attacking fans. I am happy for people to have hope in Hilton. All I expect is to be able to air my own opinions without being lambasted for having questions.
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Awaywego, a lot of the crap he received on twitter was from newly created accounts and I don’t even think they were actually Scunny fans. Now whether they were trouble causing arse hole from Grimsby or disgruntled Bury fans I’m not sure but don’t think they were scunny fans.
I noticed as soon as Hilton went off twitter a lot of the accounts which were newly created all magically disappeared, never to be seen again.
All seemed a bit suspect. I smelt a rat or shall I say many rats but whoever they were completed their goal and caused unrest due to Hilton not frequenting twitter anymore so I hope they’re happy with themselves.
Many who forced him off were Bury fans, but that didn’t stop some from claiming it was Scunny fans. The same fans who bemoan negativity, yet love to sow division in the fanbase.
I suggest you look at your previous posts
Yes. Being critical of fans who deride other fans for not being pro-Hilton enough is the cause of division. I should call for unity by slamming fans for not being pro Hilton enough, like you. ;-)
Why does it sodding matter whether I agree or disagree with his decisions? He is a football club owner, not the messiah. I disagree with a lot, but that doesn’t mean I think things can’t improve. Nor does fans disagreeing with him mean forcing or wanting him out.
Except it was apparently one fan in that incident. More do slag him off online, but that’s what we have to accept in a free country, so long as it doesn’t cross a line. Every club has that, so this doesn’t mean fans are at fault and you referred to this incident as a reason to cut losses. As did some others, and I was disagreeing with it.
He gave reasons. Others disagreed, as is our right. We aren’t obliged to agree with him. This is a football club, not the Hilton cult. If we disagree with his ideas, it’s not our fault.
Given the 1899 scheme is such a great idea, I trust you have forked out for it? Looking at the numbers who have, it’s poor. Unsurprising, given the worries of current ground ownership, but I am sure it’s the fault of 3000 fans for not paying, not Hilton for a poorly planned idea (as it stands).
So who are you then
A person. ;-)
Awaywego, a lot of the crap he received on twitter was from newly created accounts and I don’t even think they were actually Scunny fans. Now whether they were trouble causing arse hole from Grimsby or disgruntled Bury fans I’m not sure but don’t think they were scunny fans.
I noticed as soon as Hilton went off twitter a lot of the accounts which were newly created all magically disappeared, never to be seen again.
All seemed a bit suspect. I smelt a rat or shall I say many rats but whoever they were completed their goal and caused unrest due to Hilton not frequenting twitter anymore so I hope they’re happy with themselves.
Many who forced him off were definitely Bury fans, but that didn’t stop some from claiming it was Scunny fans. The same fans who bemoan negativity, yet love to sow division in the fanbase.
Why does it sodding matter whether I agree or disagree with his decisions? He is a football club owner, not the messiah. I disagree with a lot, but that doesn’t mean I think things can’t improve. Nor does fans disagreeing with him mean forcing or wanting him out.
Except it was apparently one fan in that incident. More do slag him off online, but that’s what we have to accept in a free country, so long as it doesn’t cross a line. Every club has that, so this doesn’t mean fans are at fault and you referred to this incident as a reason to cut losses. As did some others, and I was disagreeing with it.
He gave reasons for his decisions. Others disagreed, as is our right. We aren’t obliged to agree with him. This is a football club, not the Hilton cult. If we disagree with his ideas, it’s not our fault.
Given the 1899 scheme is such a great idea, I trust you have forked out for it? Looking at the numbers who have, it’s a poor return so far. Unsurprising, given the worries of current ground ownership, but I am sure it’s the fault of 3000 fans for not paying, not Hilton for a poorly planned idea (as it stands).
No. Saying people are allowed to criticise or slag off Hilton online doesn’t mean “I want him out.” It doesn’t mean I agree with the slagging off either. I am just saying that critical and negative comments are a part of a free society, so long as it’s not racist, sexist, homophobic or personal abuse. I don’t think that is what has happened online.
Oh, and slagging him off online is different to doing so in the car. Hilton can happily ignore the former; no-one is compelling him to read such stuff.
Some were speaking he should leave because of this one incident, which was just one idiot. Of course people slag him off online. This is the same for every club in the country. Often more so for clubs with bigger fanbases. Is it right? No, but it’s a free country and, as long as it doesn’t get too personal, it cannot be silenced. Such is freedom of speech.
And none of this shows anything close to me wanting him to fail.
No. Thinking one fan being an abusive berk isn’t a good reason to quit and leave us in the lurch doesn’t mean I want him to fail. If I did, I’d be calling him to quit because of one idiotic fan, like Awaywego. ;-)
One idiotic fan has probably yelled something at Hilton, and this has supposedly made him get cold feet and want out? And we’re expected to believe this would be the actions of an owner who has a lot of interest in the club? Give me a break.
This is not my actual opinion of him, because this hasn’t happened. However, if it did happen I would think his interest was never that strong.
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Of course you’d question whether is heart was in it from the start S otherwise it would mean fans drove him out no surprise there. 500.000 at least spent to date definitely is heart isn’t in it, people supported him buying the club and that’s about it really, people say they wanted change but at every step they’ve shown they don’t, training ground, academy, season tickets cash only, the manager, the 1899 scheme, please do tell me what he’s done that you actually like.
Can you please read my post properly? I said if he was driven out by one moron shouting a stupid comment. I wasn’t questioning whether he was really interested from the start, but saying so if he went along with what was suggested by you and some others.
Just because you have some agenda (against the fans) doesn’t mean everyone else does when making their comments.
As for the rest, you neglect to mention why such schemes were criticised. What it has shown is that people don’t want change that is poorly explained and not obviously a good option.
If hundreds of fans were hurling abuse then I’d think the fans were driving him out. Instead we have a rumour, with many many different stories behind it, of one fan losing control of himself. And what he might have said is not necessarily the horrendous personal abuse some made out. It may have been, but we don’t really know. However, it’s enough for you to decide fans who aren’t in some cultish admiration for Hilton are at fault. You prove my point. Those who swirl in the rumours about Hilton are derided, but we must take heed of rumours that suit your own agenda and it’s this kind of nonsense which is causing division in the fanbase.
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I also don’t think her apology is much of one. As you say though, it is not the only time she has been caught short. There’s also the time she denied the suffering of the Uighurs and made positive comments about Mao.
There is also the fact that this comes shortly after Labour has been reprimanded by the EHRC for anti-Semitism. It cannot afford to let such instances slip. No matter the source.
Any conformation Hilton and his family got abused, or is it all Social Media Talk?
The current rumours are, from several on twitter claiming to be there, is that the culprit shouted “that’s fucking shit” at Hilton, who responded with “fuck off, I’ve only been here for a couple of months.”
Some who deride the rumours about Hilton’s background seem to have jumped on the rumours of family being in the car, personal abuse and what not on this. I don’t think shouting anything at Hilton solves anything, and it shouldn’t have been done, but the the differences in narrative is telling.
Some say that it’s the Hilton rumour spreaders who are to blame alone. Yet there is an opinion piece on this site calling for unity. I fail to see how leaping on rumours of some personal attack is doing anything to help in that, yet those who do will berate others for lack of unity.
I have no idea as to what really happened, but I reiterate that nothing should have been shouted. If it was “that’s fucking shit” those deriding our fans as being the worst in the world need to get a grip and learn not to amplify what might be false rumours to appear as ‘top fans’ and sowing disunity. If Hilton was to walk away because of that, I’d question if his heart was really in it from the start, though I wouldn’t blame him for reacting as he may have done. If it was more personal, then of course it needs severe condemnation and repercussions.
Either way, I don’t think all this speculation without basis on all things Hilton is helping, and neither extreme are coming out well. We should be able to question Hilton, but some of the stuff is not substantiated. Those who want to support Hilton can do, but attacking our fanbase is too much.
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