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What’s all this daft nonsense about accepting her apology because it’s ‘sincere’?

It's time to forgive Diane Abbott – my piece for ⁦@spectator⁩ https://t.co/oZ0fKGvphK

— John McTernan (@johnmcternan) April 24, 2023

She took no responsibility and made nothing but pathetic excuses. What’s more, this isn’t the first time she’s diminished Jews, so how long do we give her benefit of the doubt? I’d say she’s long gone past giving benefit of the doubt and a suspension is deserved.

John probably wants forgiveness for Labour unity and peace from angry Abbot fans. Which is a cowardly and unprincipled position, really. It’s why I find calls for unity often to be silly. Yes, it’s fine when the differences are small, but with racism, support for insurrection etc it is not. It’s not up to the rest of the world to reconcile with racists, apologists and other people whose actions have caused harm, it’s them.

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A disgraceful comment given the history of more than one group she diminished. Hopefully this will be a lesson to her, but pathetic excuses about drafts (as if that is something which was just overlooked) doesn’t give much hope.

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That and Ratatouille? Have you been watching children’s films Deerey? :-)

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This song goes out to Peter Swann. :-)

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My favourite thing about these anti ‘big gummint’ country singers is that they’re fine with intruding on others’ lives when it suits their ideology. :-) “Leave us alone, but not the women, gays and others whose lives need policing according to our ideology.”

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Still managed more social progress than Saint Jeremy in that he could win over the public, despite his very real flaws. This does include his PR courting of Murdoch. He is no great, and there won’t be any cultish chants of “oh Tony Blair” in the same way as there was with Corbyn.

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I didn’t think defending those ads slamming Sunak, whatever you may think of them or the rights and wrongs of them, would make the defender a Tory.

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That squirrel put a curse on us. :-)

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Xxx wrote:

There is something wrong here l wonder if this guy has history with hilton just saying

This forum has been weird recently. On the one hand we have Interested Bystander auditioning to be the next David Icke, where instead of reptilians being the rulers, we have David Hilton aliases.

On the other, we have Patrick, who seems to be building a David Hilton cult where he is the messiah, Jimmy Dean is his prophet and Ilkeston the holy city.

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That’s what was said about Swann, and my comments don’t even involve calling for him to go.

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Firstly, I have said I am not against Hilton. Secondly, if pressure needs to be put on the owner we do so, like we eventually did with Swann. Finally, by critiquing or moaning it is not a call for an alternative or risking us going bust.

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CMC wrote:

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CMC wrote:

Patrick0811 wrote:

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Of course it’s a depressing place…. for YOU!…. its not going bust is it?
It’s buzzing.

No surprise, Easy to get spice round the place.

I don’t think slagging Ilkeston off helps.

Have you been there?

Think Patrick and his 3 character friend have hit the Bulgarian Vodka tonight and think i’m slagging off Ilson Town FC…

I presume Patrick lives there or comes from there, so slagging it off may aggravate. It’s not like Scunny doesn’t have problems.

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No not at all i think you havnt thought out that if hilton goes theres no club so think on but you wont just keep moaning

That’s what people said under Swann and look what placid acceptance for several years got us.

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CMC wrote:

Patrick0811 wrote:

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Of course it’s a depressing place…. for YOU!…. its not going bust is it?
It’s buzzing.

No surprise, Easy to get spice round the place.

I don’t think slagging Ilkeston off helps.

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Patrick0811 wrote:

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Of course it’s a depressing place…. for YOU!…. its not going bust is it?
It’s buzzing.

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Have you given Mr Hilton a chance to reproduce what we have at Ilkeston?… really have you?
Of course not, we at Ilkeston sincerely hope he succeeds for you, we also want Scunthorpe to do well, there is no bad feeling from Ilkeston to Scunthorpe… Tossers like CMC criticising our great set up, while his own club was sinking faster than the titanic is bit naughty don’t you think?…. especially as our chairman saved you from not having a club at all…. !!

Where have I said he shouldn’t be given a chance? He should, but isn’t immune from questioning. Which isn’t trolling. He may be good, but it will be proven with action, not associates stroking his ego.

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Nothing might be happening at Glanford Park on a Tuesday night in 5 years time and we’ll have Patrick coming on saying we should be thankful because Hilton did such a good job at Ilkeston.

I don’t care that much about how fabulous he was at another club, he needs to demonstrate that here. Answering concerns with ego stroking Hilton and slamming Scunthorpe fans will only create divisions from a Hilton associate.

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My last post

Thank God for that.

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I think we will have to wait until next season for a true judgment, but the past few months cannot be written off. If Dean is failing by Christmas it won’t be too early for a change, in my opinion.

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They took a chance and criticism is warranted for failure. Of course criticism can go too far, and I am not calling for Dean’s head.

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Cliff Byrne’s Right Peg wrote:

I can’t recall an interview where he stated we never had a chance, can you send the link?

I wasn’t quoting ad verbatim.

Which means basically, “that’s bollocks then”. Your right again Cliff.

You must have been avoiding the waffling excuses in his interview from Oldham. Oh, and he inherited the team, despite the raft of signings since Hilton. If that wasn’t his team, does that mean it was Hilton’s signings?

I am not out for doom, it is to early to tell, but I am not a fan of waffles about sinking ships and everything being someone else’s fault when other teams may have managed to escape from poorer positions.

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Cliff Byrne’s Right Peg wrote:

I can’t recall an interview where he stated we never had a chance, can you send the link?

I wasn’t quoting ad verbatim.

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I don’t think saying relegation wasn’t a foregone conclusion is pretending we weren’t in a bad position. Dean has come out and said he could do nothing, yet Torquay may save themselves from what was a worse position.

Accepting certain failure from such a position is unacceptable. We may not have survived with Nelson or without the new player influx, but Dean’s defeatist attitude of we never had a chance is as false as what you’re describing.

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I am sure and know some Grimsby fans do feel that way, but social media and the fishy shows others feel otherwise, as they take delight in us going down. It’s not the imagination of a deluded and toxic fanbase.

You may mean well, but your interactions are just divisive, in my opinion.

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This we were already down thing is a bit tiring. Torquay were below us not so long ago, and could stay up.

I wasn’t against Dean coming in, but Nelson was getting a tune our of the team. Would it have continued? I don’t know, but it wasn’t a foregone conclusion.

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Some of the negativity and conspiracies are tedious, but the dismissals of anything critical as trolling are too.

Hilton deserves credit for saving the club, but his own decisions are up for critique. Some of it will be irrational, but it’s a free country, so Hilton has to just accept that. If he is a good owner he will be able to prove the doubters wrong. Schemes like uprooting training to Ilkeston was bound to be divisive. Calling fans concerned about this trolls will not win any affection.

Nor will this attacking of fans for not being satisfactory enough for Hilton after saving the club. We had all this nonsense from Swann about fans needing to be more grateful or he could pull the plug. He asset stripped us and left us to die. Some of the same fans slamming anyone for criticising Hilton said the same under Swann, even when it became obvious he was playing us for fools.

This doesn’t mean I think Hilton is like Swann. On his Sunday statement I fall into group 2. He deserves a chance, some are going into a conspiratorial mindset, but framing any criticism as trolling and making out we should be thankful doesn’t lessen concerns. It increases them, as is coming on here to attack fans when you’re a Hilton associate. The critics will have a field day about thin skinned Hilton sending his buddy on to silence dissent. This is not my opinion, but what I can see as an interpretation. This doesn’t help gain trust and those fans supporting will grow tired of the ‘he saved your club’ argument after a while if there is no improvement and if Hilton’s plans don’t succeed.

Assuring us that Hilton and Dean will come good does nothing, there is no evidence being offered. It’s more promises, just like we had under Swann. Hilton may succeed, but it won’t be because of assurances based on implicit trust from associates.

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Iron-awe wrote:

I’m sure both the Christians mentioned on here would benefit from a cool bottle of Bud and a little chill out time together.

I wouldn’t be surprised if bpg rears his head to make a barbed comment against who he sees as an ‘impure’ and ‘silent’ Christian.

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Oh, and by saying religious based countries tend to be less democratic or intelligent, I don’t mean that theists are stupid or inherently undemocratic. I think the reasons are multifactorial, but strong religious influence has an authoritarian streak and it’s this which causes issues, in my opinion. I don’t think communism is conductive for democracy and a rounded education for similar reasons. It has no vested interests in expanding knowledge from a state level.

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The person who called you a silent Christian is another Christian, so that one isn’t linked with those bashing religion. I am sure you’re aware of that, but the way your post reads is as if that was from a religion basher. Some of the responses here can draw a wry smile, but aren’t understanding of why people believe.

As for Christian roots, it isn’t the oldest religion practiced on this island, and people managed to convert from Paganism to Christianity without some metaphysical conflict of culture. Similarly, the beginning of secular thought in the enlightenment didn’t. In fact, countries with the most freedom and high IQ test tend to be more secular than Christian or Muslim states which enforce their religion, be it Uganda or Afghanistan. Give me a ‘secularist utopia’ over religious busy bodies controlling and damaging lives in the name of belief. I agree that other religions do get ignored to single out Christianity. Islam often does, and is more problematic than Christianity, but that doesn’t mean I will refrain from criticising Christianity’s authoritarian and controlling elements. It goes without saying that individual Christians, Muslims or whoever can freely practice their faith, but I would argue that’s the benefit of secularism. Of course it means not shoving faith on to others, which upsets theists, but non-believers shouldn’t be subjected to religion in parts of society where it has nothing to do with religion.

Of course I am not calling for churches or mosques to be removed of faith and rituals. There are incidents where there has been overreach, like a worker told to remove a cross necklace, but they are comparatively rare and most understand this is wrong and we can strive to be more understanding for the future. That is still preferable to religious authoritarians wanting their faith to control others in some way.

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