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I don’t think it can be claimed that Bill’s religious fundamentalism is a recent trait.

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Hilton is the one making the claim of abuse; it’s the responsibility of the person making the claim to provide evidence. If he doesn’t provide evidence then such claims can be ignored and not treated as truth. It doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened, but it cannot be verified, so I am not going to condemn anyone for abuse as there is no evidence provided.

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Always remember the smear campaign against him undertaken by Simon Hughes and the Lib Dems back in 83(?). Will check.

What I am referring to is mentioned in the article and was from a piece of Tatchell’s own words in 1997.

His work on gay rights is admirable, but he is a flawed individual. We all are, but it bears in mind not to idolise people.

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He has some good history in standing for gay rights. Unfortunately, he has in the past made sympathetic comments to paedophilia.

https://unherd.com/thepost/stop-pretending-peter-tatchell-is-a-perfect-man/

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It doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened, but fairies could have appeared in my back garden without me knowing. There is no evidence presented for such abuse, so it can be dismissed as a rumour until proven otherwise.

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*lose

There are no winners in this situation. Only disgruntled fans, hopeful fans and you trying (and failing) to be a troll

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Xxx

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Even I am not so doom and gloom as AA. If we can find some jumpers and goalposts we should have a good team. No excuses for Jimmy.

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On the alcohol tonight, Jerry?

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Xxx, CMC

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It’s a good job it wasn’t me making accusations of ideological blinkedness when being such myself then, eh?

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Irony overload.

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Ok then. I can ignore such claims of abuse by messaging services or other means if no evidence is given.

p.s. I wasn’t making demands. I was stating if he wants to prove he has had abuse he just needs to show evidence. No evidence means it gets ignored. Funny how those dismissing everything being rumours would accept claims about abuse via messaging without a scrap of evidence.

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Then blame the fans because he couldn’t fulfil his promises.

I acknowledge that might not be his fault, but the inevitable fan blaming would be a worry.

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Some have questioned, but abuse has been little.

You have no idea what personal messages he has been sent, just because you haven’t seen it, it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen!

I can’t comment on what ifs, neither can you. I can only comment on the evidence seen outside of private messages, which doesn’t show a plethora of abuse, outside of fantasy land.

If Hilton is claiming abuse, he needs to specify how he is getting it, because otherwise we have people just believing it based on nothing and shutting up people for daring to be sceptical or criticise. A screenshot of the abuse in messages (names of the abusers redacted) would be enough to demonstrate this. As it hasn’t been shared, I will not just assume of such existence of this ‘abuse.’

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Gareth needs to be careful. Such comments will be interpreted as rumours, scare mongering and abuse of the saviour by some.

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So let me get this straight. A person called David White (Hilton) posts on a Scunthorpe Facebook page using the same vocabulary style as the David Hilton of Twitter and making comments on issues of the fans, from the perspective of the owner. Also, if you click on his profile, he has pictures of him and his family going back to 2016 and maybe before. Yet it cannot be him because WonderGoals thinks it would be daft for him to and he uses an old name. What a joke.

Somehow I don’t think a meddling Bury fan/imposter would be setting up an account with several photos of him from his private life going back a decade just to mess with Scunthorpe Utd fans and Hilton’s plans here.

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I keep hearing how the fans are getting on his back, but most seem to support him.

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Most have backed him. Some have questioned, but abuse has been little. I have no time this victim complex.

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You should see the UK’s growth too, post-2016.

Well, this will set off Gurny.

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It’s clear many want to control immigration. However, the 2016 referendum has no bearing on our immigration policy, besides obligations of freedom of movement from EU nations. If you want to argue for this, and make claims of public desire, I don’t think it’s wise to use a referendum which wasn’t a referendum specifically on immigration policy. We cannot use a referendum on EU membership to justify whatever we want.

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The referendum question was clearly to remain or leave the EU. It said naff all about immigration, so any failure to meet your wishes here betrays no referendum result.

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Max won’t be happy with him for listening to such malicious rumours and scaremongering from SST! :-)

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The vote was to leave the EU. We did. We can have endless debates on why people voted to leave, but the responses will vary. Some will say immigration, others sovereignty, others because they think there’s better trade deals elsewhere.

The referendum wasn’t to select a selectorate for future democratic decisions; it was just to leave the EU. If you think the argument was for immigration control, the problem is that not every Brexiter voted based on this, and as the referendum wasn’t on this, it’s perfectly reasonable for it to be debated and voted on against the will of the select Brexiters who were motivated by it. 2016 wasn’t a referendum to forever prevent debate and people putting forward their ideas as to how the country goes.

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I don’t think it’s stupid to want answers to scrutiny. If he delivers, great. A good owner needn’t fear questions and concerns, but such can catch out a bad owner. Just relying on trust will not bring problems to light; we saw that with Swann.

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If you are concerned about an owner whose line on this changes by the week, and realistic scenarios don’t seem to back it, you’re scaremongering and will be to blame for ‘driving him away’.

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Yet any kind of mistrust when stuff like this keeps happening has the sceptic painted as if they’re conspiracy theorists. No, I don’t think Hilton is a drugs baron or Ilkeston Iron was ever a likely scenario (and said so at the time), but that doesn’t negate the issues with our perilous ground situation which aren’t helped by Hilton giving evidence devoid explanations for how it will all work out. This aspect can’t be blamed on Swann either.

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I think IB has revealed interesting information on how Hilton has conducted business. However, such details are long, and it would probably be more sufficient for distilled breakdowns of what happened with links to the evidence.

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I’m fully aware of the Twitter thread, but I have been told the National League are looking at ratifying it over the weekend ahead of the full AGM next week. I find it interesting that no official channels have announced that it has been approved.

Yet again he has been economical with what is the truth of the situation. We deserve better than being constantly fobbed off with weak reassurances.

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