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  • in reply to: Halloween #292547
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    I’ve been told he’s unlikely to on here (not by you).

    in reply to: Farsley #292546
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    To be fair, this is the third game now where we have had a more attacking outlook and decent spells, with today being the best. Granted, Rushall and Farsley are weaker sides at this level and we did lose at Southport, but that was more down to lapses in concentration, which went beyond Butler’s control

    Maybe this has shown that Butler does have the capacity to change things. One thing I have been impressed with is seeing the full backs make more forward runs, which was hindering us before, and is a part as to why we’re having more success up front. Maybe it will be a false dawn and Butler won’t succeed, but I don’t think anyone really knows that.

    One thing’s for sure, for me, is that a month’s blip shouldn’t mean losing all hope and making certain judgments on the capability of the manager or his ability to change things after a bad spell.

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    in reply to: Farsley #292529
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    6-0 Win in front of a 3,000 plus crowd

    BuT tHe FaNs wIlL StOp CoMiNG wItH BuTlEr

    Fans will stop coming because we won 6-0, but didn’t play like Pep’s Barca with Xavi, Iniesta and Messi. Not good enough, Butler.

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    Farsley should have done some more homework, since it should have been easy to figure us out and Butler has little to no chance of turning it round. It shouldn’t take much to outwit a ‘simpleton’, after all.

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    in reply to: Farsley #292526
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    We didn’t play well for the first 10 minutes. With Zinedine Butterfield we would have won 12-0, but negative Butler cost us.

    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292508
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    Fair, though if they cause too much friction there may have to be some early changes, and there was a reason I said ‘generally’.

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    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292503
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    Definitely not. When you have the happy clapper Deerey and the like defending wanting to take a Ceo on then in the next breath tell us we can’t afford some more additions.
    I thought everyone was in agreement that we had to many non playing staff on the books under Swann and the club needed sliming down, Hilton started the process but Michelle is turning it back into a job centre for all.
    Be a right shit forum if we’re all on the same page. Who the f wants unity.

    Oh no, Michelle wants us running like a professional outfit and not Dave’s car crash. The outrage.

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    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292502
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    Improving a football team should be the same as with any other business. Hold onto your best performers, get rid of the under performers and replace them with better. In the case of SUFC that should apply to playing staff, management and all other aspects from media to catering and back of house processes.

    Sometimes other businesses would need to let go of staff for monetary reasons, especially if they are faced with the short term nature of contracts. We can’t force players to stay and accept deals if they try their luck elsewhere. Also, other businesses generally wouldn’t involve writing people off or getting rid of them so quickly, and certainly not after a few months of meaningful work.

    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292464
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    Oh yeah, all the positives behind nearly killing the club through incompetence or malice. Got to remember those. Obviously much better than the horrors of appointing a manager who might not be good enough and a CEO.

    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292460
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    Not enough stadium shenanigans, abusive social media accounts with doxxing and death threats, CCJs, unpaid wages, groundshares with Gainsborough, decrepit Glanford Park photos, children of owners as chief scout, refusing to pay staff because journalists uncovered information about owners, drug dealers as the unofficial club spokesman, claiming squatters’ rights, audio statements that get pulled after a day or moments of panic with the club going under. Sort it out, Michelle!

    Mr Butterfield’s wife makes allegations, which are definitely 100% true.

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    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292448
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    It’s someone who has not had a previous role at the club. I don’t think he will be known to many tbh. I won’t be saying more since the club hasn’t formally announced yet, so far as I know. However, as Mick West has said, some have seen him at the fan’s forum.

    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292446
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    It’s neither Moody or Rodwell.

    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292439
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    I think writing off a player based on one or two games is slightly different to making a prediction as to how successful our season will be based on a whole host of factors; management appointments, player incomings and outgoings and the fact our rookie managers formation of choice is one that I’ve never seen work at GP. As for not judging until we’ve given it a chance, we’re 17 games in, whilst that might not be enough to warrant a sacking (for some) it’s certainly enough for opinions to be formed and for fans to comment on.

    Whilst I myself have had serious doubts of Butler since his appointment I’d be happy to be proven wrong as it would mean success for my club. The reality though is that is looking less likely as each game goes by and if we leave it too long the league will be gone and we will be faced with another season in NLN which for many of us is a painful thought.

    I’m no advocate of chopping and changing.
    I was no fan of Dean but never called for his head, even in the post Xmas slump or after play off failure. The difference with Butler is that he was a complete unknown. No managerial experience what-so-ever and part of the JD ‘failure’ team. He was a risk and for me he should never have been given the job so parting ways and appointing an experienced manager would be just putting us back on the track we should have been on from the summer.

    I think prejudging a player isn’t that different, in that both involve kneejerk opinions that don’t take into account for things like a player settling in or players getting used to a system. Sometimes players may get used to a system after a shaky start, so forming certain opinions on games designed to build up fitness is unwise. We have had decent preseasons before only to fail in the league, so having ‘foresight’ from them doesn’t necessarily mean much.

    I have said nothing about not commenting on weaknesses shown in the season so far, and have made critical comments myself, but some of the reactions are OTT.

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    I think fans would have been frustrated regardless, tbh.

    Also, I don’t think fans who made their minds up on friendlies are showing some greater foresight, necessarily, since friendlies are not some foolproof evidence of where the season is going, and some seem more motivated in ‘being proved right’ over anything else. There were some who had the ‘foresight’ to determine Beckford was a dud based on a couple of poor performances at the start of his loan stint and they were wrong. Was it 22-23 when some fans were impressed with our pre-season? Personally, I think it’s best to give it a chance before making any kind of cast iron judgement. There have been some worrying signs with Butler, but it’s pointless discussing removing him right now; it’s still too early.

    Ultimately, we have to allow ourselves chance to be wrong, since it’s feasible Butler changes things round. Some may think this is unlikely, but it’s still possible, and we can’t risk a culture of chopping and changing coming in again. I don’t think that will help.

    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292428
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    I’m just spitballing ideas as to the reasoning behind why the club might have offered him an extension over reactionary outrage. I wouldn’t have done it, but I think there is more of a reason, even if misplaced, as to why.

    6 weeks is too soon for an extension, but it is seemingly fine for some to write off completely (or even before 1 game for others).

    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292407
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    I think Butler is fully aware that his job could be at risk if he doesn’t gain promotion. However, if he does turn things round and his contract isn’t being extended, it could be a source for worry down the line which may affect him. I don’t think this is that hard to work out.

    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292402
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    Close has no fixed time range, and is subjective. I have suspicions that the club were right and we’re probably just waiting to formally announce them anyway.

    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292400
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    A couple of weeks ago we were close to appointing a new CEO, what happened there.

    Two weeks isn’t that long in the grand scheme of things.

    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292371
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    Or it could be a means of placing trust in their manager and ensuring job security, so Butler’s thoughts aren’t distracted by his own future. Dean was let go after an extension, so this extension doesn’t mean we can’t get rid of Butler if he fails.

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    in reply to: Ex-Manager watch #292370
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    You missed JD ?

    I don’t think Spalding played yesterday. They did lose in midweek though.

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    in reply to: Current Form – Not sure the players believe in AB #292334
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    We were nine points clear. Threw two points away by being needlessly negative v Oxford, another two last week at Chester by not attacking once. Two away v Chorley from a late goal when winning to draw. Three v Scarborough who were very poor.

    We are too negative by playing 5 across the back, which leaves us short I’m midfield or upfront.

    Quite frankly this division is very poor and if we played to win each week we probably would.

    Come on Andy play positive not negative when setting up the team.

    I agree that caution and inviting pressure cost us v Oxford City and were too negative against Chester, but today was surely about lapses in concentration, given that they scored all their goals from defensive errors shortly after kick offs.

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    in reply to: Butler the new Dean? #292259
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    Yes, and those who turned against Dean after a few games were daft. As are people speaking about Butler now. I am not saying people weren’t rash with Dean at all, so I am not sure what the point of that trawl through past comments is really. However, by May this year Dean had enough time to be properly assessed, but anyone saying Butler has after 12 league games when we’re top of the league is being silly.

    I looked and said that it looked like Dean was out of his depth, but hopefully he learns in March 2023. I have criticised Butler recently, and it’s not fair criticism that bothers me, so I don’t know what you’re trying to prove. There was once difference in March 2023 though in that we were not top of the league then and had a raft of new signings, so negativity is going to be more common (you’d think).

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    They are 11th in their division though, 11 points off the top and not in great form.

    in reply to: Butler the new Dean? #292253
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    Dean’s remit was to get promotion and he didn’t, so he failed. Butler’s goal is to gain promotion and if he doesn’t he will have failed. If he fails there will have to be a reevaluation, where there may be a consideration that he could learn and improve next year or he goes.

    We are currently 12 games in, so there isn’t a comparison between fans turning on Butler now and those saying Dean should go at the end of the season in May. I don’t think it’s ‘beyond the pale’ to say that the task last year was promotion and Dean failed to achieve that.

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    Anyone thinking managers will play experimental tactics in the 2nd tier of non-league is living with their heads in the clouds. You’re not likely to get the next Ralf Rangnick, Johann Cruyff or Pep Guardiola at this level. The football will be based on tried and trusted tactics that suit the abilities of the players at this level.

    Jimmy Dean was hardly revolutionary with his tactics and most of that was found wanting in the end, with a much higher budget and bigger squad and losing out in the end. Butler has made some frustrating errors and he might fail, but this overly dramatic rage from some quarters is pathetic. Yes, we can be critical of some recent poor perfomances, and the league position should not have hidden that. However, to then make such snide insults at Butler and for a “Butler out” thread to be created is just kneejerk, unrealistic and irrational. The club are not going to bin Butler off because of a bad run of form when we’re top; there will have to be questions asked when the season ends, depending on where we finish. Some have bemoaned (rightfully, I think) the sack-happy nature of the Swann years, and it must be said that there were many calling for the sack of those Swann did dispose of at the time. We have been through a lot since, but there are some who are still seemingly turning on coaches far too quickly. Butler might not improve, but it’s pointless turning against him when it has been a few months and we are top of the league. To emphasise, I am not saying that to distract from deserved criticism of performances, but to point out that turning against Butler now is an extreme response.

    Dean had 18 months and failed his remit. We should give Butler at least until May before reevaluation, unless there’s a catastrophic drop down the table. Thankfully, I think the kneejerk reactions have been constrained to a few, but there are some like the tweeter in question where it does apply.

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    The Fish certainly looked a lot more composed and aided play more than Whitehall today.

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    Poor first half, but that second half was a lot better and the best we have played for a while. Having Beestin in midfield worked and it was good to see Denton and Barrows come forward. That’s what I expect from now on, even if Rushall were awful.

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    in reply to: Hospitality changes ahead… #292015
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    And it turned out we were right to be worried and Saint Dave was a very naughty boy, not the promised saviour.

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    I have reasons to be sceptical of his thoughts, and not saying anything negatively about Mr Stamp here, but from other things I have heard.