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Sometimes we might overestimate our critical thinking skills, and everyone gets things wrong.

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Aye, but it’s important to remember to self-reflect and think it’s not just those with different opinions who may have gone wayward in opinion. In this age of polarisation, all of us can succumb to tribal views and arguments that sound good because it fits prior beliefs.

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I suspect you will find some sympathy among many Scunny fans given our own recent history. Might be worth reaching out to the Iron Trust on social media too.

I will give something when I can.

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Accies

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They do it through private business? The world isn’t so simple.

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Things like digital face recognition do create worries. The conspiracies come when people talk about totalitarian Marxist one world governments or cabals being behind it and not it being driven by businesses in the west, like tech companies. With shops wanting it to help catch potential shoplifters and banks, among others, to protect from fraud on accounts with them.

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I am willing to bet that general elections will go ahead by 2029 and Starmer will likely be voted out and with minimal foul play. Which would be odd for a totalitarian.

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“Consecutive governments”. So nothing to do with Marxist Totalitarianism then?

Given the government have been terrible with communications and formulating any kind of coherent plan and policy to date, I would say it’s more likely that this is because of clumsiness and poorly thought through ideas over clever plots to bring in tyranny, which would probably require a greater degree of competence than what we have witnessed. With the many u-turns and incoherence.

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Yes, I know your claims over more lockdowns (that didn’t happen) were a joke. Now, consider that my original post shows that I am uneasy at the proposals put to change our judicial system and think maybe resorting to snark against someone who might have some agreement in opposition to these changes isn’t maybe the wisest idea.

All you ever do on this board is spoil for a fight to show how ‘right’ you are. Not by any kind of measured debate, but cherry picking and looking for any angle to convince your ego that you ‘won’.

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Snarky comments. That will convince me, I am sure. When are those imminent forever lockdowns coming? You promised them years ago.

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It’s a stupid decision, one of many, from the government which gives ammunition to conspiracy theorists. It’s likely motivated by the mess of the judicial system, with much backlog, but it harms judicial fairness.

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Butler needs to get a grip of this. Most fans back him and are happy with how he got us promoted and an overall decent season so far. Most aren’t blaming him or player effort for our recent slump.

As long as it isn’t abusive, negative comments are expected, even if some are overly negative at times. But that’s the price for free speech. People should temper themselves if they can, but they shouldn’t be forced to. Gesticulating for fans to go for asinine comments is ridiculous and makes him look bad. It’s the fans’ club as well, even if some might be negative. It doesn’t bode well if things really go awry.

This all said, I am glad he is the manager over an overrated lower non-league manager who tried and failed with a bigger budget. He achieved more with less.

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It’s no more revelling in defeat than criticism of Watson was revelling in him conceding.

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“We’d have lost 6-0 with Watson.”

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Maybe the reason we conceded goals and aren’t top of the league isn’t necessarily down to the goalkeeper after all.

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As an attempt at publicing the 3 up campaign. Doesn’t seem to be generating much attention though.

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Northumbiron

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https://x.com/ironbru_net/status/1985440034669908084

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All the best to him. It would be nice if the fans sung his name to show support, even if it is a small gesture.

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TheJuryeffsOut wrote:

Butlers original decision over keepers has been proven – we are second.

It went from Watson and Campbell will be a disaster, we could be sucked into a relegation fight because of the goals they concede to he is a disaster, we could be first if not for them.

Watson and Campbell have faults, and there are plenty of better keepers, but what irked me was that the criticism of them went far beyond what was merited. It’s why some thought that there was a tendency to be wanted to be seen as right above all else. A team second in the league, with one of the better goals conceded records, should not have people catastrophising about the goalkeeper.

Constructive criticism, yes, but much of the criticism wasn’t. It was “see, I told you he was crap.” Now we have Mahady and we should, of course, support him, but I hope there isn’t any attempts to use his performances to show how right someone was.

He made some errors in the National League Cup for the Leeds U21s, which would have people going “Watson again” if it was Watson, so he can make errors. This doesn’t make him a poor keeper, nor does it mean he is the definitive answer to all the supposed major faults we had at the back with Watson or Campbell.

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I’m not sure if he was good enough for a title challenge, but the way he was spoken about by detractors was as if he wasn’t good enough for Sunday League.

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The Man Utd and Sheff Wednesday wins will be more than enough for them to have pride. We would snap our hands off to have had a cup run like that, even with a routine defeat at the end.

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Hayes was on loan from Norwich, Keogh from Leeds too. Both good loanees who impressed.

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Stuart Maw and Jerry better watch out. Any more tension with the Trust and they might be found with a bin bag and concrete blocks in the Trent.

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Deereyme66

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If you don’t go to games, it does make it harder to comment on the performance of the team, but off pitch matters can still be understood as well.

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Yes, I do think welcoming more fans in and not having monkey chants or banana skins thrown at black players is a good thing about football today and if everyone but the likes of Deerey are happier with that, I am not ashamed to say I would prefer to be round the likes of Deerey than anyone being a racist, homophobic and sexist berk.

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Just adding context to say Deerey’s defensive comments don’t come from nowhere. Just a thought.

Your issues with other posters shouldn’t be used against others and the agenda about goalies isn’t coming from Deerey alone.

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I see the Watson critics, who are not obsessed by the goalkeeper, are slamming Watson for the goal conceded again on social media, as if he was the only factor.

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The defence of the goalkeeper comes about because there are some, including WonderGoals on this thread, who treat every single goal conceded as a chance to talk about how ‘right’ they are with regards to a ‘goalkeeping crisis’ at the club because they stated there would be one from having Campbell and Watson as goalies.

It was made out we would likely be struggling because of their poor goalkeeping, yet we rarely concede more than one goal a game and many of the goals conceded have others culpable and aren’t the howlers they are often initially derided as. This hyperbolic criticism is bound to get pushback.

I don’t get why the criticism can’t be a little more measured. Watson doesn’t keep as many clean sheets as Fitzsimons and many of the goals he does concede are ‘could do better’ even if they aren’t the Sunday League level howlers they are referred to. Would we need a better goalkeeper to push on? Maybe, but this is the National League and with a few tweaks sorted, Watson at least could be an OK keeper at this level.

It’s hard to have measured debate when a section just want to speak as if we have plonked some bloke from the pub in net.

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To be fair, they aren’t outright stating it as such, but there are some too much in the ‘just asking questions’ territory for me. https://x.com/mgell1s/status/1979110960846496194

Dan, being replied to, saying it is ‘strange’ too, as if there is something more going on

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