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  • in reply to: Enough is enough! PROTEST at GP 8th may #205877
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    Didn’t you once claim to have been a shop steward, AWG?

    in reply to: Contracts… #205869
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    Yes, in the interests of transparency, which has lately been so unfashionable in business and politics, the record can be seen here.

    https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00123622/charges

    Just search for others’ names and companies on this public register, should you wish to do so.

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    in reply to: Enough is enough! PROTEST at GP 8th may #205858
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    Well said, DM.

    And UTI99, re. fans, customers and the Sky generation – it’s companies like Sky who have been responsible more than anyone for replacing fans with fickle customers. The big money they’ve brought into the game has turned the top clubs into global brands with customers worldwide, the vast majority of whom never actually attend a game.

    Plus, the way TV income is distributed has widened inequality in football, and forced into administration many small clubs like ours, who now really struggle to keep up.

    Local fans have become even more important to these clubs, as they are an important source of income where TV money is relatively small. So, the clubs should be working hard to attract and keep them.

    But, there’s a feeling that SUFC is not doing this; that it’s taking them for granted, angering and alienating them by saying they talk crap, they’re morons, or ‘who cares’ if they leave after 60-odd years, etc. etc. And as if that weren’t enough, season after season we have witnessed a standard of football rarely seen outside public parks.

    Now, for all kinds of reasons, the days of fans suffering in silence have gone. Even ours, who are now planning a protest, which will certainly attract regional and quite possibly national attention.

    I don’t know if all this is a lesson they teach in the business schools, but it’s one the club would do well to learn before it’s too late. But, maybe it already is.

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    in reply to: Enough is enough! PROTEST at GP 8th may #205833
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    We’ve been terrible this season just like we were in the season before we signed Mussy, Bara and Crosby, then look what happened.

    That kind of argument can excuse anything.

    Look, it was 17 years ago, with a different management, manager and players, plus a different attitude of the club towards its fans!

    Complacency rules.

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    in reply to: Who said this in 2015? #205819
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    Was it Joan Plowright?

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    You reap what you sow. Remember that.

    Seems to me these words should be on the boardroom wall. Never been more appropriate.

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    in reply to: Poll needed #205551
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    It’s not just the tedious football. It’s been the manner of it, the way it came about – the repeated signing of weak players, the revolving door of managers, the stubbornness of the chairman, the broken promises, and above all, the falling out with the club’s most important asset – the fans.

    And, there seems to be no end in sight.

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    in reply to: Naivety #205481
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    I think naivety applies to a number of the players, they know they aren’t getting new contracts apparently but they aren’t exactly putting themselves in the shop window with their pitiful performances.
    I expect their agents will be telling them they can get better clubs but in reality those we release will finish up in non league or part time.

    Disputes over contracts – haven’t we been here before? Remember a few seasons back how performances suddenly went off the boil after ‘words were had’ when Swann allegedly refused to discuss contracts during a decisive time in the promotion push.
    And now rumours are circulating that contract offers have been withdrawn just as performances have gone from bad to worse.
    Coincidence?

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    in reply to: Cox quite post Mansfield #205226
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    Yes. According to the rumour machine it’ll be all change next season, except Prawn has said the budget will be smaller, so everything will be the same.

    in reply to: The funniest thing ever in football? #205037
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    Too true.

    I mean, football becoming all about money and not about ‘the fans’, shock horror…..

    Johnson, Dowden, Prince William… and countless others, all seeking to be associated with a popular cause and pleased to be talking about something other than the dreadful state of the economy, Covid, royal rifts etc. etc.

    So where were they when the Prem was born, when ordinary fans got priced out of games, and when Prem teams decided to become global brands which gave preference to visiting business people from Shanghai or Dubai, instead of ordinary fans who lived round the corner? Who cared, as they got richer and clubs like SUFC got poorer, footballing inequality growing exponentially?

    Answer, none of them, they didn’t give a flying fig because they tacitly agreed with free markets and football, and clubs behaving like big corporations. Hypocrisy by the shedload.

    The best book I’ve seen on this was from published back in 2008. It’s this:

    in reply to: Is this a first? #204866
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    What about the Scunny Bunny? Is he going too?

    He could play centre midfield and do a better job than some.

    in reply to: Let’s start again shall we? #204823
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    Good post NI.

    We shouldn’t forget the role of the ‘selection committee’ at GP, which must carry the can for wasting so much money on inadequate players.

    I have no idea what role Swann junior has in this, but the very idea that a lad in his 20s might be experienced enough to know and recognize in others the attributes which go towards making a suitable player for a club like ours, is really beyond belief.

    That’s because it’s not just a question of a footballer’s skill, but also has to do with their character and temperament, and whether they can respond to the kind of management style in place at the time.

    And that’s why managers are keen to make these decisions for themselves. It’s also why – despite the odd success – someone so young and comparatively inexperienced is ill-qualified to make such important decisions on behalf of the club.

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    in reply to: Fantastic point… #204565
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    Desperate marketing!

    in reply to: Swann on Radio #204510
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    UTI99 needs to realize that it’s the club who has transformed fans into customers.

    Ability to pay has become more important than loyalty and commitment.

    Swann’s response to the elderly season ticket holder is perfect example, with decades of loyalty dismissed as irrelevant. His response was ‘fine, if he’s not happy, then he should stop going.’

    But that, UTI99, is not how you grow the fan base. It is not how you develop fans of the brand, fans who these days have a limitless choice of entertainment.

    Saying that fans’ attitudes “stink”, doesn’t help either. It just enrages supporters, and has the potential to be another ‘morongate’ moment which divides fans and club even further.

    Really, if Swann junior did Business Studies at uni, dad should be asking for his money back.

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    in reply to: Swann on Radio #204265
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    All true, and knocking the elderly season ticket holder who said it would be his last season, was a particularly cheap shot.

    The chairman claims everyone’s been ‘working so hard’ and blames Covid, but as other say above, this is the same at all clubs, yet their fans haven’t had to put up with dismal performances season after season.

    As has been said before, it’s not just the league position, it’s the repeatedly dull performances which are driving fans away, coupled with management that doesn’t seem to give a fig about the fans.

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    in reply to: Ifollow #204198
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    As ‘resident expert’ – I reckon Tom is, by head and shoulders, the best we’ve ever had. He tells it like it is. I, for one, really appreciate that.
    Knowing more than a little about commentating, I rate Mike the best that Humberside has had.

    Yes, the Brexit commentary was unforgettable, Les. You certainly told it like it is!

    As resident expert on absolutely nothing, I think it must be very difficult to find experienced ex-players who are able to inform, educate and entertain the listeners in the BBC tradition. But a football audience naturally wants names they know, hence we get people like Newey and co.

    Tom Newey is pretty flat and dull in his delivery. As Ferrite says, the seeking out of controversy is tedious at times – it’s as if he’s been told ‘argue with the decisions Tom, the listeners like an argument!’.

    As for the others, well, it’s local radio, and at SUFC (and the Cods) this season it must have been a nightmare for the commentary teams. They try hard, and Mike White isn’t bad but at times drifts into Alan Partridge territory.

    Resident expert Mrs Gurn once listened in and thought it was a comedy sketch!

    in reply to: Jack Charlton doc. #203979
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    Jack Charlton wouldn’t have stood for it. The doc showed he was keen on attacking, entertaining football, and providing craic for the fans.

    Keane wasn’t keen on Charlton tho’, or Mick McCarthy, at least according to this ‘Keanologist’…

    http://www.soccer-ireland.com/saipan/roy-keane-jack-charlton.htm

    in reply to: Jack Charlton doc. #203972
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    Except about Irish politics! He seemed quite adamant he wouldn’t talk about that.

    I thought he might say something about Roy Keane, but again, ‘nada’. Maybe they fell out.

    in reply to: Harrogate match thread #202730
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    I can log in, alas, it only tells me how to build my own website! No sign of any place to place an avatar.

    in reply to: Harrogate match thread #202710
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    Thanks to MM and NI – I’ll give it a go later.

    in reply to: Reffing Has Hit New Lows. #202703
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    Quite unlike anyone else.

    in reply to: Harrogate match thread #202702
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    only McGahey missing and he is back in full training, hoping for a win, but this is Scunthorpe United so expect the unexpected.

    MM – I have a query about avatars which Northumbiron suggested you could help with: how can I create one? I tried drag n drop but the computer said ‘no’, the pic wouldn’t stick.
    Is it only possible by using the URL of an image?? Any ideas?

    Maybe a separate thread on this would work best.

    in reply to: Conference here we come. #201605
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    How does the saying go – ‘One swallow does not make a summer, nor does one day’…

    Let’s not get complacent. It was a good 3 points and a reasonable show against the liverless Cods, but there has to be a lot more of the same to ensure survival.

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    in reply to: Now is the time Iron-Bru #201232
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    Sounds out of his depth and clutching at straws. He signs a manager with no management experience, and approves his decision to hire Swann junior, who also has no experience, but ‘has a plan to get the club into the Championship’. Yet, he can’t put his finger on why performances have been so poor.

    I’m sure he means well, but I really don’t think he’s able to see the error of his ways, and while he’s surrounded by ‘yes men’, nobody will tell him.

    Should he go? Got to be careful what you wish for in these straitened times, as has often been said. Some would say it couldn’t get any worse, tho’.

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    in reply to: PATHETIC #200774
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    So Alcy, will you refuse a vaccination?

    in reply to: PATHETIC #200763
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    Well said, DM. Free speech has its limits.

    So, you won’t bother getting vaccinated, Alcy?

    in reply to: At what point do we consider the manager is the problem? #200748
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    Sometimes it’s just down to bad luck, but that’s not the case here.

    Years of poor chairmanship and mismanagement have now left the club in a corner. No money for managerial pay offs, and even if there were, it’s a club few managers would want to take on. Plus, with so little time or money to develop a settled, confident team capable of escaping relegation, even fewer managers would be capable of succeeding.

    It’s not even a club anyone would want to buy, currently.

    It feels like we’re on death row, at the end of the line, and facing the inevitable with little chance of appeal.

    in reply to: “The knee” #199845
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    It’s also shows how fake news works, Bill.

    Some people will read the racist post and think it’s true, even though there’s no evidence for it, and even tho’ it appeared on an unedited football messageboard from someone they’ve never met!

    They want to believe it, because it confirms their prejudices.

    Racists, for example, know there are a lot of gullible readers on boards, chat rooms, Facebook, etc … so they use these platforms to prey on their prejudices.

    It’s the new way to spread very damaging lies and propaganda. You can take as many identities as you like, say pretty much anything about anything, and if you tie a political scarf to it, even better – Brexit, BLM, immigration, Covid, anti-vax… etc., you’ve seen it all.

    What do you think, Bill?

    in reply to: “The knee” #199814
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    Classic piece of disinformation.

    This is another of your Frankenstein’s monsters, Jonathan and Justles. Don’t be surprised if they turn on their creator next.

    in reply to: Has he gone yet? #199782
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    JC – nobody’s saying you need to be careful or apologetic about wanting improvements. Improvements are what we all want.

    I also have no idea if things will change in the summer but NI has pointed out that things will be unlikely to change until then, and his reasons why. You might disagree and have other reasons, of course.

    I don’t know either if things will change in the summer, or if anyone will be interested in buying Swann out now, but given the hardships everyone’s currently facing, the money the club is currently losing, the need for a new ground, and the fact that SUFC not a ‘sleeping giant’ with an interesting history, or in an area with great potential to build up a big following, it isn’t currently a very attractive proposition to many investors, wealthy or otherwise.