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And there’s Priti, Kwasi and Raab calling the British
“among the worst idlers in the world. We work among the lowest hours, we retire early and our productivity is poor. Whereas Indian children aspire to be doctors or businessmen, the British are more interested in football and pop music.”
(from: Britannia Unchained)
It’s all part of the unsual contradictions of being a working class Tory. They are despised by their leaders, none more so than by the Tories who came from minorities. They are the ones who think they have to act like ‘super-Tories’ in order to gain credibility among the white suburban supporters of the party.
Here’s another one who fancied his chances and got lucky.
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Well, it was funny, although I felt sorry for Scotland. Was hoping for a rip-roaring display of Celtic passion, blood and thunder, but it ended with tragi-comedy.
Ferrite, it’s true it was a great shot, but had Marshall been further back, I don’t think Schick would have tried his luck with a one-in-a-million shot.
Aye, I’d agree.
It’s a pity about Scotland. Their passion is terrific and the fans create a great atmosphere. I was enjoying the commentary too, intelligent and balanced. But the sight of the hapless Marshall sprinting back to his goal – Forrest Gump style – as the ball flew over his shoulder and he threw himself into the back of the net, was up there with the best/worst of ‘em. Sunday league goal. I think the players and fans all knew it, and they just couldn’t respond.
I forget who was interviewed after, but he was understandably close to tears.
Never mind. If they beat England, all will be forgiven and forgotten.
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WG, many movements have a lot of different views within them. Presumably your wife/girlfriend/daughter/mother expects equal pay, and equality in law with men. But, that doesn’t make her an extreme feminist who wants to remove men from the face of the earth, for example (these types do exist!).
Back in the 60s and 70s when women were marching for more equality in law and equal pay with men, there were many on both sides would have said they were extreme, mad, and bad.
They said they were ‘burning their bras’, that they wanted to be fellas, and even that they were Marxists. Especially in the popular press, in the working men’s clubs, in tv sitcoms…. they were all ready to poke fun, talk about the danger to society as we know it, how it was all part of a slippery slope and so on.
But who now would expect their wife/girlfriend/daughter/mother to do the same job for less money, or be discriminated against in law?
WG, it’s the same with BLM. Seek out extremists and you’ll find some, which is exactly what the far right is doing in order to frighten people.
But that doesn’t mean that those who support ‘the knee’ and want to see an end to discrimination and respect for black people are all raving Marxists, any more than your own wife/girlfriend/mother/daughter was an extreme feminist.
They just want decency, respect and an end to discrimination. And so should we all.
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Cathode Ray Tube. It’s the tube in old television sets.
There’s talk of banning them because they are toxic, so it won’t be possible to see the world in black and white any more….
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Y’know Alcy, I used to think that being disabled you and the Mrs would have a better understanding of the underprivileged and marginal. Indeed, many in this forum thought you deserved better. But, ridiculous posts citing ridiculous points of view over BLM indicate it just ain’t so.
Take this video.
As if this moron really cares how much Lineker earns. His problem is that the players themselves challenge racism and make him look stupid, which he is.
And, despite his protestations, the players know very well what they’re doing by taking the knee – many are black, ffs!
Does he think his booing makes the players perform better?
How hard does he wave his flag when he’s booing?
He’s like those morons who used to climb up the floodlight pylons just so they could make gestures and shout insults and abuse at the visiting fans. Monkey!
If he’s not happy, he should give up his ticket to someone who really supports England.
Classic dissection of brainlessness.
“Brexit’s over, Rupert. What do you think you can get them to do next?”
“Boo their own team while claiming to be patriots?”
“Let’s make it interesting. You have to get them booing before the game starts, and get a Tory MP to boycott the tournament.”
“Piece of cake.”
Aye, Rotten was right!
The BJ parody’s been quite a stain on here, but hilarious when moaning about pop-up ads reflecting his other online pastimes! Joke indeed.
That’s the point, WG, it’s not that BLM doesn’t care about other people, it’s just that they want to focus on issues affecting black people, which are undeniably worse.
Think of it as a kind of trade union. The union represents people in an industry. It’s not that the members don’t care about other workers or their conditions, just that they primarily represent their own people. And, just as many other workers show support a particular trade union when it protests, many whites support BLM.
The difference is that here we’re not just talking about pay and conditions but human rights – something we should all support.
The whole ‘take a knee’ thing is pretty straightforward.
When players take a knee they are showing their support for anti-racism. By logical extension if you boo when players when they take a knee, you are showing support of racism.
One thing I don’t get about this black lives matter is, if they we’re so concerned as a group about equality wouldn’t it make more sense to start a much bigger group which involves the vast majority of white people who aren’t racist ?
I understand that point of view WG, but the problem with only saying ‘all lives matter’ is that it loses the focus on black lives, and the problems black people face re. police brutality, racial discrimination and marginalisation more generally – as BRI points out.
Of course, plenty of white people face marginalisation too, in what has become a very unequal society. If you’re elderly in a depressed northern town, and depend a lot on the state, you’ve got a lot to complain about, as people like Alcy know too well.
But as a white guy, you’re not marginalised in the labour market because of your colour. You’re not likely to be bullied at school because of it, and you’re much less likely to be stopped, searched, beaten or shot by the police.
It’s because being black increases the liklihood of all these things that BLM came about.
This forum is full of too many idiots and fools like the BJ parody who try their best to intimidate others into Nazi-sim!
There are plenty among the silent majority who love this country and hate everything that the Nazis stand for!
They daren’t speak out because of the intimidation created by the few racists on this thread who make out anyone who disagrees must be unpatriotic!
The ignorant racists really hate this country and want to silence those who want to stand for the traditions which make it great – which include taking a knee on behalf of opressed people everywhere!
And, it’s not difficult to imagine the same monsters roaring their approval in Hitler’s beer hall putch speeches. They’re just lacking another Farage. Had he written his own version of ‘Mein Kampf’, he might have gone even further. What do you reckon, Les?
Aye, how is it possible to love your country while hating 99% of those who live there?
Alcy. Understandably, older white guys in knackered northern towns especially, have a lot to beef about. That’s because the white working class have become the new blacks of the UK.
Economically and socially, you and BAME people have a lot in common. You’re marginalised, ignored, underfunded, unhealthy, under-achieving in schools, often in trouble with the law, and mostly state-dependent for benefits of one sort or another.
Many of the white British working class, especially in the north, have come to resemble what the Yanks disparage as ‘white trash’.
Naturally, the government want to avoid blame for this dreadful situation, so they stir up ancient prejudices, and you’re encouraged to find a scapegoat, and blame your social and economic bedfellows.
But look. Instead of saying “If only we didn’t have so many black people”, you should be saying “If only we didn’t have such a right-wing government which has decimated our pubic services, let the markets rip, let Covid rip, ignored the north, and is corrupt and rotten to its core!”
It’s amazing, the con-trick which has been perpetuated on the British people in recent years. It really has been like mass hypnosis, as people were encouraged to worry about bendy bananas and vacuum cleaner regulations as much as the non-existent threat of invasion by 50,000 Turks, and I’m suprised you can’t be as clear sighted about all this as you are over the failings of club management.
Oh, and re. the police, London is 40% BAME, but the Met police only 15.4% BAME, hence the recruitment drive.
No, it’s just a new chapter in their history.
Common sense isn’t as common as you think.
Look, the Tories and the right in general want to save you from threats which don’t exist – asylum seekers, Brussels, people who allegedly want to undermine British values by teaching more British history…
Yet, this adminsitration has singularly failed to protect us from threats which do exist – the collapse of money markets and its effects on ordinary people, record numbers of Covid deaths, financial ruin for individuals, business, and whole areas of the country, the lamentable state of social care….
The roots of this administration are built on lies and gaslighting. We’ve seen the total abandonment of objectivity and truth. The government has become worse than the tabloid press, and people like yourself are lining up in support of it, BJ and co.
It’s one of the most important political issues of our lifetime, but un-knot that scarf round your neck, hold on to the truth, and you will not go mad (thanks George Orwell).
Sadly, for some it will already be too late. Particularly if you think the world is only c.6k years old.
These threads show that some white working class feel as excluded and marginalized just as much as black and brown people do. It’s a consequence of a lot of neglect; social, cultural, economic, and not least due to the divisive politics of austerity.
But, the real con trick in this has been to make people feel that the EU is to blame, not Westminster or Downing St., and that ‘woke’ is only pro-black.
Fact is, the woke want better lives for people like yourselves, Alcy and co., just as much as they want a fairer, more equal society for everyone else, no matter what their colour or culture.
I was thinking about this question of Diana worship, NI. It is strange, but in her case there was so much public grief possibly because of:
a) Familiarity. Many felt they knew her, because of the sheer volume of coverage which she’d had in the media.
b) Fondness. She had reams of positive publicity and the public had grown to like her. She wasn’t seen as stuffy or aloof, she’d also had a difficult upbringing, then blossomed to become a glam, trend-setting royal. “Isn’t she lovely!’ they cried.
c) Survival. Despite the treatment from Charles and family, she came thro’ it. She was seen as a good mother and still did charity work, etc. Many women felt sorry for her and could look on her story and think ‘She’s like me, that’s me, I’ve had it rough but survived, etc. etc. This applied to gay men too, with whom she was also popular(!).
d) The zeitgeist. From the early 80s there was an appetite for tradition, royalty, ‘sloanes’ and so on, which her image fed and made more available / accessible to the general public. Remember all that fashion for aspirational country living, Laura Ashley, Brideshead, etc.
e) Tragedy – a sudden and cruel ending in a high-speed car crash in Paris. The stuff of films.
Sadly, those suffering in wars famine etc. are reduced to just one of many news bulletins. They are miles away in countries about which we know nothing, and there’s so many of them, that people get compassion fatigue. The public feel helpless, bored even, and tend to detune.
Er, that’s it.
Aye, attacking the corporation today for what it did 25 years ago! It’s sheer desperation. What were you doing 25 years ago, Alcy?
This is a tale about a dishonest journalist – there’s plenty of stories about the tabloids pursuing her to her death as BRI’s link shows. Then there’s a whole catalogue of stories about tabloid mis-reporting and lies, most notably the way the Sun reported Hillsborough, or phone hacking and how they got away with it, or the Daniel Morgan case:
Bashir behaved abominably, but those who attack the BBC are using this to endorse a prejudice they already have. We should take no lessons from those media who behave at least as bad if not worse.
Haha! The reflection of the only person he’s capable of taking notice of… one can only imagine the nightmarish Dickensian spectacle!
The ABC? Sounds like he still has some difficult questions to answer. I guess homosexuality and child abuse have been forever present in the church. For too many years its status as a closed, secretive, all male community with no contact with women has been the main attraction for certain types.
Now there’s more transparency and accountability as well as a better understanding of human behaviour, it should be easier to prevent abuse. But will it?
Most normal folk, apart from woke snowflake libtards, are disgusted by the acts queers engage in!
Haha, says BJ sat at his computer in stocking and suspenders…
I suspect many are disgusted by the kind of acts you engage in, like posting all the rubbish above!
Do you believe in witchcraft and curses and too, BJ / BPG?
BPG turned into BI… Arrrgggghhhhh!
But BI’s main problem isn’t being mugged off by religion, it’s being surrounded by others on here who are not only brighter, but are also capable of empathy, and who show him up for what he really is – not the smartest and most admired, but the most ridiculous, shameful and foolish.
He’s been called out on his gaslighting over and over – if being a narcissist were a TV show, he’d be the box set!
It’s time he showed some remorse and gratitude to those who’ve had to put up with him for so long, particularly the moderators.
I agree 100% with comrade Bucks – hooray!
Me too, surely some mistake here…
Noah’s flood was necessary because humanity was full of sin and debauchery!
So it isn’t now, then? Why haven’t we had another one since? Is Covid God’s way of getting rid of the debauched?
Noah’s Ark – going on the dimensions given in Genesis it’s capacity was a little over 39,000 m2. A low estimate would calculate 3 million different species on Earth (remember evolution doesn’t exist). So that’s two of each plus Noah’s family making over six million to fit into 39,000 m2 of space.
Each creature had 6.5 mm2 of space to move around in. Just let that sink in for a minute.
40 days of rain. On Hawaii in 1939/40 it rained for 331 days! You don’t believe in climate change but you think 40 days of rain will destroy all life on the planet? Have a word with yourself. Was Noah the only bloke on Earth who had a boat? No! Fairy Story.
Historians are unanimous in the view that Jesus Christ was a historic person.
Not quite unanimous. The historical truth behind the Jesus character is similar to that of our own King Arthur. He was supposed to live in the 6th Century but does not appear in historical accounts or literature until the 9th Century. The Arthurian legends have been rewritten a number of times with certain omissions and additions. Much like the Gospels. You could say exactly the same about Robin Hood. First written about over a century later. I’d sooner follow the teachings of those two any day!
And even if Jesus was a living person the back-story is much, much older. At least 3,000 years older. Back to the Babylonian god Nimrod and the Egyptian Horus, who was born of a virgin under a star in the east. He walked on water, healed the sick, restored sight, was crucified but rose from the dead! The same basic story holds true for the Indian god Krishna, Dionysus and Mithras who was popular with the Roman legionaries on Hadrian’s Wall.
As I said the other day, Christianity is just a software update and the Bible is like a software license. Christians don’t read it all, they just scroll down to the end and click on “accept”!
What is sin?
There’s no such thing as sin. People do good things and bad things but it is not “sin” in a religious sense.
That’s a myth. The concept of sin is a recruitment process to get you to join an organisation that will have control over your actions.
Leaders of this organisation and fellow believers will tell you that you have an imaginary problem and, coincidentally, they just happen to have a magical cure for it!
It may involve prayer. Do you pray BJ & BPG?
Brilliant! And worthy of publication! It’s posts like this that remind me we’re not all mad on IB!
A Doctor writes:
As a doctor I am frequently asked “Doctor, how can I learn to see and respect the points of view of others?”
Of course, the answer is quite simple. If the patient is full of his own self-importance, gaslighting others, arrogantly belittling and accusing them of saying things they haven’t, then people will react, and the patient’s self-esteem is going to take a battering.
Taking the right baby steps can help make life more rewarding and enjoyable, so they should recognize that the problem lies at home and not with someone else. Accept that there are others far more knowledgeable, from paleoclimatology to the roads of Scunthorpe. Avoid unhealthy foods, sweet drinks and alcohol. Do voluntary work. Sell the Big Issue. Stop saving money on electricity bills by gaslighting.
© A doctor (I used to be a narcissist, but now look at me!)
You trot out the ‘gaslighting’ routine and then make gross generalisations…
Your gaslighting is obvious to all, BI. But you’re in denial about it. So, check for the characteristics/symptoms of NPD on any reliable medical website, and see if you can find one, any single one, which doesn’t apply. Then, report back, OK, and we’ll all have some sport seeing you wriggle!
Elsewhere, BJ mentions the cult of ‘anything goes’.
Which one’s that, then, BJ???
It sounds like you prefer being told what to do, how to live, and what to think. But then, many people do. ‘Tell me what to think and I’ll think it!’, is their mantra.
Luckily, a place exists where where you don’t have to think about anything. You just do as you’re told. Plus, there are no bills to pay, free meals and a roof over your head.
It’s called prison.
Really, this site’s getting worse and worse, there are so many posters who evidently belong in an institution of some kind.
On second thoughts, maybe they’re already inside, and this is what it’s done to them….