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Aye, I’d agree.
It’s a pity about Scotland. Their passion is terrific and the fans create a great atmosphere. I was enjoying the commentary too, intelligent and balanced. But the sight of the hapless Marshall sprinting back to his goal – Forrest Gump style – as the ball flew over his shoulder and he threw himself into the back of the net, was up there with the best/worst of ‘em. Sunday league goal. I think the players and fans all knew it, and they just couldn’t respond.
I forget who was interviewed after, but he was understandably close to tears.
Never mind. If they beat England, all will be forgiven and forgotten.
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WG, many movements have a lot of different views within them. Presumably your wife/girlfriend/daughter/mother expects equal pay, and equality in law with men. But, that doesn’t make her an extreme feminist who wants to remove men from the face of the earth, for example (these types do exist!).
Back in the 60s and 70s when women were marching for more equality in law and equal pay with men, there were many on both sides would have said they were extreme, mad, and bad.
They said they were ‘burning their bras’, that they wanted to be fellas, and even that they were Marxists. Especially in the popular press, in the working men’s clubs, in tv sitcoms…. they were all ready to poke fun, talk about the danger to society as we know it, how it was all part of a slippery slope and so on.
But who now would expect their wife/girlfriend/daughter/mother to do the same job for less money, or be discriminated against in law?
WG, it’s the same with BLM. Seek out extremists and you’ll find some, which is exactly what the far right is doing in order to frighten people.
But that doesn’t mean that those who support ‘the knee’ and want to see an end to discrimination and respect for black people are all raving Marxists, any more than your own wife/girlfriend/mother/daughter was an extreme feminist.
They just want decency, respect and an end to discrimination. And so should we all.
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Looks like he might.
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James O’Brien
@mrjamesob“Brexit’s over, Rupert. What do you think you can get them to do next?”
“Boo their own team while claiming to be patriots?”
“Let’s make it interesting. You have to get them booing before the game starts, and get a Tory MP to boycott the tournament.”
“Piece of cake.”
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That’s the point, WG, it’s not that BLM doesn’t care about other people, it’s just that they want to focus on issues affecting black people, which are undeniably worse.
Think of it as a kind of trade union. The union represents people in an industry. It’s not that the members don’t care about other workers or their conditions, just that they primarily represent their own people. And, just as many other workers show support a particular trade union when it protests, many whites support BLM.
The difference is that here we’re not just talking about pay and conditions but human rights – something we should all support.
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This forum is full of too many idiots and fools like the BJ parody who try their best to intimidate others into Nazi-sim!
There are plenty among the silent majority who love this country and hate everything that the Nazis stand for!
They daren’t speak out because of the intimidation created by the few racists on this thread who make out anyone who disagrees must be unpatriotic!
The ignorant racists really hate this country and want to silence those who want to stand for the traditions which make it great – which include taking a knee on behalf of opressed people everywhere!
And, it’s not difficult to imagine the same monsters roaring their approval in Hitler’s beer hall putch speeches. They’re just lacking another Farage. Had he written his own version of ‘Mein Kampf’, he might have gone even further. What do you reckon, Les?
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It’s true Wharton did get criticism and even some abuse towards the end of his tenure, but it was nowhere near as sharp and sustained as the criticism which PS has attracted. That’s partly due to the consistently poor performances of the last few seasons, but also the raised expectations followed by deep disappointment, mixed in with a more provocative personal style. His actions have also led to a feeling that the club is belongs to him and him alone, rather than the fans.
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What will acting like spoilt brats achieve CT?
Grow up and support the team you claim to follow.
I’ll say it one more time you reap what you sow. People like you think they’re blameless when in fact they are very much part of the problem.
‘Reap what you sow’ should be nailed to the boardroom wall. It’s been so true these past seasons.
But with the complacency and arrogance on display here, there’s no reason to suggest 21/22 will be any different.1 user thanked author for this post.
Good piece from Max Bell.
I don’t know Pawn but his record suggests a stubborn streak which makes him oblivious to those with different opinions. This, together with a need for control from the boardroom to the boot-room to the pitch, has made him dismissive of other points of view, and led him to fall out with managers, players, press, fans, and even the local council.
It’s also no surprise that some of the most influential people in the club seem to be his own family.
Despite all this, if plans had come to fruition, with dazzling, ‘sexy’ football, a promotion, and a ‘starchitect’ designed stadium, all would be fine.
But, it hasn’t. It’s gone from bad to worse, and there’s no sign it’ll get any better. With the club haemorraging cash, the aim is now to batten down the hatches, cut losses and protect business interests. And with no change in sight, the clubs most valuable asset – not the ground but the fans – are in revolt.
What seems to be needed is a greater willingness to listen and act on the advice of others, and a devolution of decision-making down to those who are professionally capable of exercising it. Of course, they have to have a decent budget to do the job too.
But perhaps most of all, the club needs to get in touch with its fans again, and a bit of sackcloth and ashes from Swanns Sr and Jr would go a long way to repairing and re-establishing relations. It would cost nothing in financial terms, and the gains could be immense. Give Me Sunshine? We can all wish.
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To pick the protests that you do value, judge what is important in life. And a protest against someone who paid the players 100% through covid with very little income coming in is a good employer in my books, just because he hasn’t achieved what he wanted doesn’t mean people should turn on him at least he gave it a go.
Judge what is important in life?? The anger shown on this board reveals that the club is very important in the lives of many.
Players receiving their pay cheques? It has nothing to do with it. A protest is in the offing because the supporters feel cheated at how badly the club is being run; the dreadful performances, the dreadful league position, the broken promises, the disdain for the fans…
Come on AWG, you’re looking though the wrong end of the telescope. If you really were a shop steward, you’d understand the value of protest to show the strength of feeling about this. But if your MO with aggrieved workers was merely to ask them if they had been paid, and to consider what is important in life, how on earth did you manage to get elected some ten times in thirty years?
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