Forum Replies Created
I think it’ll take about 10 minutes.
Alcy – yes, how is the old boy?
Re. Trump, when he was elected, so many Tories and Kippers on here wanted to silence the good sense of his critics, saying ‘oh, give him time’, ‘he’s the president of the USA, we have to respect him’, ‘give him a chance’ and so on, simply because he was a man of the right.
And where are his defenders now??
Trump 2020 ad.
I could. And thats why I read but rarely post.
So JI, maybe you can tell us what you think of these websites, pieces of which Lesgeo posted from in the past.
and the extraordinarily racist ‘Truth Wars’ website (which now requires a user login)
And, what do you make of the chief contributor to Truth Wars known as ‘the Leveller’ – he even claims to be a good Catholic, while putting up pieces like ‘Farage Brilliant in Australia’, ‘an Evening with Enoch Powell’ and ‘Katie Hopkins at the For Britain Conference’, together with assorted pro-BNP pieces.
What do you make of all this now, JI??
‘Anyway, I think it’s a healthy discussion. Something we’re all capable of having. Hopefully without the saloon door opening and extremists from the left and right or pendants charging in.’
Agreed. It is a healthy discussion .. but a restricted one. I’ll stand at the saloon door and lob in my comment… I dont qualify as an extremist but maybe as a pedant(pendant?). BRI is correct in stating that non-football is less active and cites a couple of Deerey’s ‘extremists. No wonder. I have banged on endlessly in my brief flirtations with this forum about how narrow the tolerance levels are. How likely it would be to descend into a small cadre of like minded people rehearsing their grievances and agreeing with each other. A week or so ago I almost jumped in when Gurney labelled a perfectly articulate response from Bucks as ‘incoherent’ or some such nonsense. Why? Because he didn’t agree with it!! I am not saying that this predicted level of uniformity has now been arrived at .. the discussion above does have some amount of reasonable differentiation .. but the destination seems to me to have almost been reached.
Well, instead of slagging off the forum and its participants why not engage with some points of view of your own?
As for ‘incoherence’, as I understand it that means ‘confusing’ and ‘unstable in its line of argument’, which applied just as much to BI’s post as it does to many others on here.
Like for example those posts which were ripped off from American far-right religious sites, that were adverting ‘an evening with Enoch Powell’ amongst some other, very odd things, which were posted by, oh, was it Justiron or Lesgeo or Justles… and which were not only incoherent, but extremist in the extreme.
Is that your idea of balance and coherence? I think we should be told.
I think that’s because the public desire for redistribution is now felt more acutely in the US than it was when Obama ran. I’ve no doubt Obama would have wanted a more radical distribution of wealth, but probably felt he couldn’t get the electorate to buy into it.
Agree with IA above. And, if Facebook stops Trump from tweeting until he takes down the lies, it may well prove a force for good in politics.
And once Trump falls, I suspect the Johnson and the far right in Britain will be feeling more heat too.
Brilliant! She could restore vision to the blind, she could make the disabled chuck away their cruches and start dancing… any chance she’d work for the NHS, Heathy?
Good one DM, funny video on the tragic reality of a chat show ‘hero’.
I like the others too, tho’ a bit downbeat.
Here’s something a bit more conventional – an uplifting rendition of a well known anthem from our Bev. Check Goldblum’s reaction…
OK thanks for clarifying. Everyone should see the original comments from Bradley Guest, as well as how it was reported on the BBC, so they can make up their own minds about it.
What happened to the original thread(s) on this?
The BBC picked it up and ran a feature on it – why on earth not IB?
Exactly what are contributors permitted to say and not say now?? Come on Matt, this is national news. It’s also in the public interest.
The club needs to act – it’s no wonder players like Haks didn’t feel at home here, or why black players don’t want to live in the town.
Les, I felt the same way about Farage years ago. It was plain for all to see. I wish you had too.
Vader, there was no need to vote Tory, other parties were available.
Maybe your mind was made up by an unelected foreigner, Rupert Murdoch, who has consistently trashed Labour leaders and their policies since before and after Blair. Or maybe it was the Barclay brothers, with the propaganda wing of the Tory party, the Daily Torygraph, dictated from their tax-exiled havens of Monaco and the Channel Islands. No doubt one is a neighbour of our very own patriotic president, Lord Botham.
True patriots all, no wonder they all supported Brexit. It won’t affect them.
Maybe you live in north Lincs? You’re on a fairly low income or in an insecure job? The Labour manifesto would have helped protect almost everyone in low skill, low wage areas, with high numbers of elderly and those on benefits. But, foreigners like Rupert and patriots like the Barclays don’t like that, because they think it makes you lazy and dependent. They want you to think that too.
Of course, what they really fear is both loss of power, and government taxation to redistribute their enormous wealth to the areas and people who most need it. That’s how the media works.
We have the highest excess death rate in Europe, and Johnson calls it a success!
And where are those Bru-ers who screeched loudest and longest about unelected politicians ruining everyone’s lives? So who just elected Johnson’s brother, or May’s husband, or Botham?
How can anyone with a functioning cerebral cortex defend the Tories now?
Too right, Heathy.
Incompetence, arrogance, disassociation from the truth and epic lying – we need protection from Cummings, Johnson and Hancock.
They promise everything, deliver nothing, then blame somebody else. Everyone on here knows they have no consciences, they lie and lie.
And it’s not just the lies – we’re talking deaths here – the worst death rate in Europe. Deaths of family and friends. The death of small businesses.
BI, LK, BS and the jonnies… you all know Johnson and co. are a bunch of lying b*stards. Just think how liberating it would be to turn round and call them out. You’ve had enough of their lies and the deaths. You don’t have to be complicit. They had you for a while, but surely no longer, surely you’re better than that?
Bucksiron – still struggling after all these years to write a coherent post.
It must be the difficulty of trying to convince himself he did the right thing by voting for Johnson, despite the party’s failure over Covid, and desperate interventionism over pretty much everything from furloughs to flab.
Not content with putting the economy in intensive care for 10 years, the Tories have now put it in an induced coma. Who will be shouting ‘get Brexit done’ when their small business goes to the wall? Bucksiron won’t have time – he’ll be flying out to Rumania to pick spuds!
Vote Tory, get a recession. Who said that? You can’t say you weren’t warned.
IMO still a legend…
But he sold you a pup LK, he made you think people like yourself would be better off outside the EU. But you won’t, you’ll be worse off.
Why? Because as we leave the biggest trading block int he world, jobs will be lost, trade and travel with Europe will be harder. Plus, the effects of Brexit will now come on the back of Covid. That means the health and social care sector – which often relied on EU citizens for jobs like cooking, cleaning and personal services in hospitals and homes, will be short of qualified staff.
So, just where’s the benefit to people like yourself? How will you be any better off, or the rest of the country, if that matters to you?
Yes, and that was a key element of their appeal to many on here and elsewhere.
To win back votes, the Tories created their now infamous climate of hostility with their ‘go home’ banners, and the Home Office pursuing the people off the Windrush, and even their kids, apart from the likes of Johnson with his pikanninies comments…
‘We hate blacks, so let’s leave the EU!’ might have been their bizarre rallying cry.
It was a race to the bottom, spurred on by the apparent multitude of jonnies on here, who
fused their political identity to a mistake. Even though Jonathan doesn’t mention UKIP now in his website, people won’t forget so easily.
“If there is no God everything is permitted”-Dostoevsky.
You’re evidently fond of this quote Bill, because you’re always mentioning it. But you need to find out who said it, and in what context.
Some say it wasn’t by Dostoevsky himself, but one of his characters in ‘The Brothers Karamazov’.
But, unless you know the context in which the author placed the character, you can’t really make sense of the quote, or what it means. Maybe the character was a religious fanatic, who is immediately shown up to be narrow and simple-minded by others in the story.
Some say too, that this quote was not by Dostoevsky, but by JP Sartre in ‘Being and Nothingness’, and was intended as a topic of debate over the predicament of existential thought.
Whatevs. You need to check the context to get the meaning.
Russia has long sought to destabilize the EU, which it would like to see fail. Why? Because its unity is a threat to Russia’s commercial and political power in the world.
The Russia Report shows there was substantial interference into Brexit. The use of the ‘soft’ power of social media to spread lies about the EU and immigration, and to target those who were open to suggestion on Facebook and elsewhere, with stories such as the one about accordion players getting EU grants to repair their bellows, is now confirmed.
And it’s not just the Putin who codded voters into thinking Britain would be better off outside the EU.
Another foreigner who has long meddled in British politics, egged them on to do exactly the same – Rupert Murdoch.
This country, and in particular the ordinary working people of towns like Scun., have been well and truly screwed up thanks to massive foreign influence by genuinely unelected powers.
And the same ‘patriots’ who fell victim to this sort of propaganda by the Russians and by Murdoch, consistently despise foreign interference in British affairs!
Ever had the feeling you’ve been cheated, dear Brexiters?
“Calm and on an even keel”? I admire your optimism, 99%!
Logging in feels like walking into a familiar pub that’s just had one of those Gordon Ramsey style makeovers – it seems the same yet it looks all different.
But Matt, as IA says above, little un should come first before a few pixels on the screen.
Pity about the archive, you often get better sense of somebody’s political opinions etc. by browsing past comments, rather than just looking in an individual forum. It was also useful for ‘today’s listening’ if you wanted to catch something new, different, etc. Maybe it could be reinstated going back a year or two, instead of 4-5 years, to keep teh database smaller.