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As we free ourselves, finally, from the spikes shackles of the EU, we are going to step on a few toes. We are abandoning their narrative and replacing it with our own.
Still hovering in our own house of treason, on the banks of the old river, we still have the ugly plotting and scheming of the treacherous remoaners. With the now rendered toothless crap spewing from the mouth of the pox bitten s**g Gina Millar to back up their poisonous rhetoric.
To hell with them all, we are going to make our own laws, our own borders, and our own trade deals. The EU is going to fall, like so many houses of cards. With Germany and France bemoaning the sudden stop of a gravy train they have been riding for decades.
It’s gonna be great!
As we leap from the frying pan and into the fire we’re going to get trodden on in ways never seen before. We are abandoning an alliance with the biggest trading block in the world, and replacing it with erm… nothing.
Meanwhile, still hovering in our own house of treason on the banks of the old river, we find the ugly plotting and scheming of that perfidious old liar Johnson, along with the unelected bureaucrat Cummings, and their acolytes Gove, Patel and Duncan-Smith, who back up their poisonous rhetoric with infantile slogans and soundbites. To hell with them all!
As we become the first nation to inflict economic sanctions on itself, we will be cast adrift in the world, economic lepers with the reputation of snakes. Those in downtrodden northern towns will suffer most, along with those on low/no incomes, as meanwhile, the EU continues without the UK, sneering at our standing as that of a corrupt, AIDS-ridden 3rd world country, one outcast and shunned by every right-thinking nation on this great earth.
‘Fool Britannia’! No chorus can be more fitting.
The problem is that silly slogans & xenophobic gaslighting can change voters’ minds, but not the reality.
And if there’s a vote in parliament, will the Mumby girl vote in favour of breaking the law?
Yes, each to their own, but I’m just trying to understand the attraction of such a display.
My neighbour sometimes puts up the union flag (next to his Japanese car), but I don’t feel the need to get a post and run one up too, as if the house is some kind of embassy or military encampment. What’s the point?
Well, no surprise there, I’ve not heard of anyone flying a flag they didn’t like!
But, what’s the attraction, what’s to like about flying a flag?
He sure will.
One of several things they both have in common is their supporters. They’re susceptible to sloganeering, and are easily conned. Remember when people used to say ‘I like Boris, he’s funny!’. Who’s laughing now??
This should be reflected in the last night of the Proms with a rousing chorus of ‘Fool Britannia’.
Aye, where are they now, those on here who were fulsomely in praise of withdrawal, Johnson and Trump…? Where are propaganda merchants like the jonnies and co, and the Tory party mouthpiece?
Answer: They’ve run away, or they steal around the board, hiding their shame under an old but scarcely used screen-name – the digital version of the full burkha.
Shame on the lot of them.
Yes, it’s quite a lexicon, isn’t it, fun for all the family… I thought the tunes were going to be good but we’ve only had ‘happy birthday’ so far.
I particularly enjoy being infantilised as I watch the carnage unfold in the care homes, businesses go to the wall, nurses and doctors dying in the front line…. as this engorged oaf and his psychopathic sidekick plagiarise more and more lessons from the Trump playbook.
Following on from NI’s comment, some years ago there was a Spanish manager – I forget his name – who advocated the bat-man defence, i.e. ten men hanging from the crossbar, bat-style, and the goalkeeper darting around the area. It was particularly effective in night games, apparently.
Maybe we could try that. But would it be sufficiently Wilcoxian?
And there we have it…. (sigh).
Sounds like a job for Wesley Finesword Q.C., one of Pepperell’s sharpest.
I wish I could share your enthusiasm, MKIron. Reading through the posts about this match and others, it’s a litany of despair. How long before we get an entertaining performance? How long before we actually win, not a throw in or corner, but a match, let alone a trophy?
Pennies from the PL indeed, Ferrite, and probably lucky to get those. Will it make a difference on the field?
I see the club gambling on the unpredictability of youth, with the youngest team in the league. I see dwindling gates with spectators counted on a handful of hands, even when the gates are finally open, and God knows when that will be. At this rate we’ll get the line up of likely players: Watson, Bedeau, McGahey, etc. followed by a line up of the likely crowd: SST, WG, BS, MistertonMick, Ferrite, Darrynstamp, Cass, Cliff Byrne, Sanfran, DutchIron, Alfred…. Subs in case the regulars are in the shed: Gurnelista, NI, Heathy, DM, BRI…
Maybe it’s just the time of year, or life, or Covid…. but even tho’ it’s the start of the season, a time which should lift the spirits and galvanize us with optimism, following the club and keeping the faith has recently got so hard.
Aye, I suppose it’s all a bit of these. A neighbour of mine has one he periodically runs up. Staunch Tory, ex-army and takes the Daily Mail, but a nicer guy you couldn’t hope to meet.
Others not far away run up a full range of other nation’s flags, like Heathy’s example. I’ve absolutely no idea why.
But one commonality is that the St George flag only seems to be visible in rough areas. In the most expensive areas, flag-flying is hardly seen.
Maybe as DM says, the flag is a cry for some kind of solidarity – one built on nationhood, rather than on social class and shared economic level.
It’s often seen in those areas where solidarity was once common, and is now lacking, areas where insecurity is most sharply felt, and often accompanies crime, anti-social behaviour, drug-dealing, bailiffs and homelessness, etc.
Leaving the EU was never the cure for all these problems, but Brussels was made a handy scapegoat for the populists on here and elsewhere.
Yep, “Don’t look at me, look over there, look over there…. there’s a big bad xxx (insert scapegoat of choice) which only we can save you from!”
Specially if they’re as well-off as your lass!
I quite like the convenenience of a card, but resent the implications of it (above), apart from the problem of what to do if it suddenly fails, which has happened before. I s’pose carrying a back up is the answer, but then you have to mess about balancing accounts etc. which can be a drag.
I guess as their lives and finances get more complicated, the younger generation may begin to see the downsides – wokeness, an’ all that….
All very true, NI. I was thinking about this too, although more along the lines of ‘what would happen if my card stopped working’ and ‘what if I lost it?’ as well as ‘what do those people do who don’t have accounts here, from tramps to tourists?’
But you’re right, there are lots of other far-reaching implications of this unbidden shift towards cashlessness, which we should all be concerned about, not least of which is the massive power the bullying behemoth banks will come to wield. They already effectively own our houses, businesses, and wages/salaries, and with cashlessness, seem set to become masters of the universe by stealth.
What chance another economic collapse, based on their immoral behaviour in the past??
Exactly, folk like AWG being gung-ho about how much they don’t know has become almost mainstream thanks to the populists in charge. And, that’s why the infection and death rates per capita in Britain and the US have been among the worst in the world.
Just look at Johnson a few months back, poo-pooing the risks, back-slapping and shaking hands and all and sundry, telling people to just wash their hands and sing ‘happy birthday’. No doubt AWG was singing from the same hymn sheet.
Then what happened? Johnson nearly died, probably after passing on the disease to numerous others.
Evidence here and in other European countries suggests rates are increasing again, and with some returning to work and uni, coupled with cooler weather, more time spent indoors, and a general outbreak of ‘I’ve had enough’ selfishness and ignorance, it’s likely to spike again, and may be around for the next 2-3 years.
You seem to be saying you’re happy to take your chances, AWG, because even though you might catch it, you might not die, rather like with flu’. However, unlike with ‘flu, you might unknowingly acquire Covid, and pass it on to others who won’t be so lucky.
And that’s why you should be taking precautions, whether you like it or not.
It’s this ridiculous mindset which stops people coming out and saying what they feel/think. This is why everybody nowadays feeling like they’re constantly treading on egg shells.
WG, I’ve read your stuff before and frequently agree with your knowledgeable comments on football matters, but this is a shot wide of the post.
We all have opinions about all sorts of stuff, you’re absolutely right. But our opinions shouldn’t confuse feelings with facts.
We all have feelings about football, our wife/girlfriend, family, maybe our job. But here we’re talking about factual matters. It’s a fact that masks help, if they are clean and fit well. It’s also a fact that infection rates are lower in some areas because people are taking precautions by social distancing, wearing masks, not going out much, etc.
It’s also foolish and dangerous to think that because Covid infection rates are low, it’s safe to go back as usual to social gatherings. It’s like saying that it’s OK to drive without your safety belt, because death rates from car accidents are nothing like they were in the 1970’s, so the risk must be lower!
Trouble is, in the current climate it’s become ok to confuse feelings with facts. Populist politicians like Trump, Johnson, and Farage all rode high by making people prioritise feelings over facts, feelings about immigrants, feelings about the EU, feelings about nationhood and exceptionalism, even over Covid, initially.
The government even said it didn’t like experts (or unskilled immigrants, for that matter), and they worked hard to target their messages at the kind of voters who would be susceptible to their propaganda, voters who were unlikely to seek out factual information (middle-aged and elderly, with a big family and non-university education).
Putting our trust in such a band of fools was catastrophically wrong, as we’ve discovered to our cost. And the more we let feelings rule over facts in these matters, the more we let the lunatics run this virus-riddled asylum.
It’s the trial of Justles. We join the court as prosecuting barrister Mr Finesword is summing up:
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, it is well known that the good people of this community, and indeed the general public, hold an assortment of eccentric views both left and right, many of which display a tenuous connection with reality, and fall well outside the reason of this court.
That is the nature of a messageboard. But, what is objected to, is when witnesses come before the board and trumpet their credentials, for example, as a former magistrate, in order to appear plausible and persuasive, as they deliver the most outrageous pap, crap and lies, copy-pasting material taken from some of the most extreme, vile and disgusting ‘political’ sites on the web, all in support of the so-called ‘fabulous’ Farage.
The objection is reinforced when the same person does this knowing full well that many of those who read a football messageboard, do not seek out reliable information, but will likely defer to someone who holds a respectable, responsible position in the community, particularly if this person is able to confirm their prejudices.
If said former magistrate is apparently an Iron fan, and espouses views designed to stir up hatred and contribute to the creation of a climate in which it is OK to hate Muslims and immigrants, as well as OK to leave the EU without any sort of plan whatsoever, it becomes even more effective.
This was part of one of the most deceitful and divisive political campaigns ever concocted, and it was communicated in the most despicable way which effectively weaponised the board, yet you, Justles and the jonnies, got away with it because you knew very well that people were too slow to question, criticize, and above all, call out fake news.
The charge is, therefore, that you knew this better than anyone, and you used this knowledge to contribute to the poisoning of British society and politics. Yet now, having seen the gross error of your ways, the foolishness of Farage, and the divisions wracking Britain today, you seek to pass undercover, incognito, with an alternative screen-name – a sort of digital ‘burkha’ – in an attempt to conceal your shame!
You thought you’d taken the tide at the flood, yet now we’re all living bound in shallows and miseries. Y Sr. Justles, cuentanos, donde está la caridad Cristiana en esta decepción y duplicidad??
They don’t BRI, they don’t. It’s just a diversion from the real news.
A powerful thread. Truth spoken here.
What are those northerners who ‘lent’ their votes to the Tories saying now?
It’s no use wriggling JI, you can tell it to the judge. Les’s figurative fingerprints mean you’re kippered, and I hereby make a citizen’s arrest for impersonation!
Y’know it’s really odd that Les hasn’t bothered to respond. Because in a genuine case of mistaken identity, both parties would jump in and have a field day.
Yet, the kipper who once posted so fulsomely and fearlessly about the ‘evil empire’, has now changed his style and limits himself to one-liners in football. I can’t think why.
And JI, why the avoidance of comment on those disgusting websites (from which Les posted in the past), other than to say they’re ‘a bit sensationalist’ or ‘Catholic’ or ‘right-wing’! Some understatement…
And another thing. The style. The love of a clipped sentence. The careful grammar and punctuation, the exclamations and question marks!! Pure Les!! Except for the single paragraphs. A poor disguise.
Any more denials and we’ll have to call the rozzers again.
They certainly do BRI. Many on here and elsewhere were busy telling that to the Jonnies and co for years. Why did it take so long for the penny to drop, Or-not??
Good summary on the radio today about this and other issues. I don’t know how it gets on air, given FM’s commercial imperatives and their right-wing news agenda, but we should be glad it is.
Yes, based in Melbourne I think. If you scan the site there’s a lot of info about how the videos are made, who’s behind it and so on.
I wonder what Lesgeo makes of all this.
Care to comment, Les?
Why should the French care?
Imagine the reaction if refugees were leaving Britain for Norway, and the Norwegian government asked the Tories to keep them in the UK!
But look, you know a government is in deep trouble when it very publicly turns its fire on migrants in dinghies.
This country’s whole response to the migrant crisis has been utterly shameful. How many did we take from Syria? About 16,000, while other countries took in several hundred thousand. The populist politicians and the bigots won the day, yet some have the temerity to call themselves Christians!