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    NorthumbironNorthumbiron
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    So only chanting counts does it?

    We can forget the moron who leans over the perimeter wall and shouts f*** off! You black c***!

    Because, believe me, they still exist.

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    Iron-aweIron-awe
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    The usual suspects spouting the same old rubbish. Dont you you get fed up of calling people racists because they gave a different veiw of life to you?

    All people are asking is for people spouting conspiracy theories about why footballers take the knee, as opposed to the actual reasons which have been stated countless times by the players taking the knee either individually or collectively by their professional association, come forward with evidence to back up their claims. If they can fine, if not, stop posting crap or lies, which ever version you prefer..

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    “Dont you you get fed up of calling people racists because they gave a different veiw of life to you?”

    And aren’t you getting fed up of getting so irate about footballers kneeling down for no more than 5 seconds. As IA has said, they have given the reasons they are doing it multiple times.

    So I direct your question back at you. What gives you the right to question the actions of the players who have a different view of life to you?

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    Another bad night for fierce Patriot Laurence Fox, all that kneeling followed by all that winning, poor c**t must be almost suicidal.

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    your posts would drive anyone to suicide mr snore

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    dandaherron@yahoo.co.ukJust Iron
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    IA : Apologies for offending all racists on here. I should know my place, thanks JI. BTW what’s your position on why so many International footballers are taking the knee in this current football tournament?

    I didn’t ask you to apologise for anything IA … and certainly not to any racists. My post was simply to point out the inconsistency of your position. Apart from the jarring use of bad language that you have started to adopt .. which at one time was an issue for moderation .. it isn’t a good look to take up the cause of tolerance and brotherhood by intersectional labelling and abuse.

    Of course I have a considered position on taking the knee but the atmosphere created on this board has become so polarised and toxic that I wouldn’t see any value in sharing it. A bit sad … because I do like healthy debate .. but that’s the way it looks to me.

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    Iron-aweIron-awe
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    Thanks for responding JI, I believe your answer speaks volumes about your position on players voluntarily taking the knee. Thanks for sharing.

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    dandaherron@yahoo.co.ukJust Iron
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    ????

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    The nature of the internet is divisive, as is this forum at times. IA was confrontational in how he has worded himself here, especially regarding Laurence Fox, which drew ire.

    I think it would have been advisable to tone down the rhetoric on a public forum, but I am not going to lose sleep over someone being called a bad term for political beliefs. I think Fox is a pillock and reserve my right to form negative opinions on people I disagree with. Unlike ethnicity, sexuality, biological sex and class political belief is not an inherent or easily controllable trait. Beliefs, no matter their persuasion (religious or political) should not be protected. Having negative opinions should be allowed without consequence. The alternative is to silence such opinion, which seems rather politically correct to me. Of course this shouldn’t stray into abuse and I do get the concerns over people feeling intimidated. However, I don’t think they should be intimidated by Fox being so derided.

    The far right and far left deserve scorn, they both routinely deny genocide and atrocity and sow division among others. I am not going to feel bad about holding negative views towards them, nor others. Some beliefs can be damaging to a country, not everyone can get along. I would rather have a free country where we can freely express disdain towards others than one where we have to tread on eggshells not to offend beliefs. We are going to the latter these days, and not just among the left. The right don’t want to face mockery either. Nor do I want to stop people being negative towards my views. If they think I am a berk, fine, that’s their view (though don’t expect me to be cordial in return).

    While what IA said could be seen as rude, harsh and unfair towards others it is not in the same category of racism where people are treated unfairly because of a trait, not a controllable.

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    I was pulled up by JI initially because I called Mr Fox a racist piece of excrement ( I used the vulgar expression ) I said in another post that maybe I should not label him as such but I believe he’s a racist and that term is used broadly about certain people which is deemed acceptable so I presume JI was upset about the vulgar term of excrement, really? Above I used a term with letters missing so people could fill in the blanks as they wish, many some may think Mr Fox is a ” coot ” or a ” clot ” or maybe something else they deem more suitable either way maybe I should just have said Mr Fox appears to be struggling with his predicament of preaching patriotism whilst bad mouthing the England team about them voluntarily taking the knee whilst being hailed as uniting the nation at this troubled time. JI has decided to make my recent replies an issue but says he won’t address the position of England taking the knee as he feels the board is polarised and toxic. Not sure how expressing an opinion and asking for some honesty about the reasoning behind it could be deemed as toxic because if people have nothing to hide then surely honesty is a given. Anyway carry on each and everyone of you because it’s your right.

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    Yes, that’s my point really. You were maybe a bit coarse in how you referred to him, but there’s nothing wrong with deriding someone you disagree with like that. It’s not in the same ballpark as racism, which knee taking is for, so there is no comparison between calling Fox that and racism which knee taking is for.

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    Interested why JI keeps coming back to a forum to not make his point, other than the point that he has made many times before that the forum is too toxic for his delicte tastes to share his point.

    Fair enough JI, hopefully you won’t feel the need to make the same non point in the future. I fully understand your position and right to not share your point, as I’m sure others do.

    Thanks anyway for your valued input. Not one naughty word, so I hope you will approve, but your not going to let me know your point of view. No problem!

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    dandaherron@yahoo.co.ukJust Iron
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    So was I making a point … or not making a point? I was indeed making a point. My point was … without any ‘ire’ …. that it does not look good to make a stand for tolerance and inclusivity by cursing and dehumanising someone you disagree with no matter how reprehensible you may find their views. That’s my point.

    And do I think it would be helpful to anyone for me to give my view on taking a knee? No. I think it would be pointless because, as the above exchanges demonstrate, there are no nuances in Bru world. If you are not on this side of the equation .. then you must be on the other .. and therefore worthy of scorn. Even by not giving a view IA is able to make a judgment because my silence ‘speaks volumes.’ So any points I would make would, in reality, be pointless. That is my other point.

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    “The flagon with the dragon has the potion with the lotion. The vessel with the pestle has the Bru that is true!”

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    I may not agree with Fox, but I defend his right to be a self serving divisive tosser.

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    JI you would make a great spin doctor but unfortunately most of the top positions will have already been filled so stop dancing round your handbag on this and several other issues you want to comment on but don’t feel able because blah blah blah. Just come out and say it and stop taking some king of imagined moral position then withdrawing after basically saying nowt. I’m sure the forum awaits your input with baited breath, so far you’ve been rather disappointing and appear to lack sincerity.

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    How about letting people who wish to take the knee do it and those who don’t wish to, don’t? It makes no difference to me either way, each to their own and neither side should be criticised for what they chose to do!

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    I, me, my, I, ….And do I think it would be helpful to anyone for me to give my view on taking a knee? No. I think it would be pointless..

    With so much self-comment and appreciation I’m beginning to think Les is Bucksiron is Les!

    C’mon, Brexit never held you back. How does the idolatry of blood and race sit with your Christian faith?

    #209719
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    How about letting people who wish to take the knee do it and those who don’t wish to, don’t? It makes no difference to me either way, each to their own and neither side should be criticised for what they chose to do!

    That’s the position the majority on this forum have taken Pat myself included but if you have followed this topic with interest you will know that the discussion has escalated into the reasons why they take it and whether the players do so voluntarily, which they have expressed clearly that they do and whether it’s to support anti racism in sport which again they have expressed clearly that they do. It’s the people coming on distorting the facts with versions of players being coerced to take the knee or for reasons they support a Marxist based organisation for which they produce no evidence whatsoever when questioned. It’s just another conspiracy based presentation by some who may have an underlying reason for doing so which may be based on racism. One can’t be sure because as I stated earlier they never produce evidence to back up their claims or invariably run away when questioned when they have ” dropped their bomb ” then departed. So this debate will continue while others continue to spread untruths which attempt to smear the players who have been nothing but honest in this entire public protest.

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    Why do people that have and express their own views on their opinions accept the views of people that do not comply with them??. I do not agree that all this calling players bad names exists, and have never heard it happening at any football match. This knee thing in my opionion is wrong, and to continie doing it is also wrong, can anyone please tell me what has to change that will end it, and how can anyone decide that it has changed, simply because we have never heard it in the first place, how can it be prooved it has changed????. Is it right for people to not agree with the knee?, is it right for people to not agree with those people that think it is ok for endless boat loads of refugees to invade our country???, and to the point why are either to be classed as being racists.

    I am personally against both of these, so in the opionions of lefties, I am a racist, if that is ok, then so be it, I will not be losing any sleep on what those kind of people think.

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    I do not agree that all this calling players bad names exists,

    What?

    Have you not seen or heard about the abuse sportsmen and women have received on social media? In the six months from September to April last, Twitter removed over 7,000 abusive tweets. Have you not seen the ads on tv?

    Not just footballers like Sterling, Rashford and Deeney either. Even Lewis Hamilton has been a victim.

    Just because you live in a sleepy town or village and don’t hear it doesn’t mean to say it doesn’t exist.

    The England squad as a group has CHOSEN to continue to take the knee to let the world know they support equality. As did the Germans last week.

    As the above posts outline, choice should be respected. People like Fox do not respect this and are so childish in their attitudes that they want England to lose should they continue to take the knee. That is what I-A was parodying in his rather tongue in cheek post.

    I found it amusing that before Saturday’s game kicked off the Ukrainians stood around bemused as the England team knelt. One obviously thought he should be doing the same and went down just as Kane & Co were getting up!

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    I suspect that his Christian faith is on similar lines to those of BPG. They only apply to a chosen few.

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    Isn’t that what people have been on about NI the Ukrainian felt obliged to do it.

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    He ‘felt obliged to do it’. What a joke. The others didn’t so obviously their right not to do it was by far the majority. If this was a different subject the anti-woke brigade would be telling him to ‘man up snowflake!’. You can’t have it both ways.

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    I suspect that his Christian faith is on similar lines to those of BPG. They only apply to a chosen few.

    Would you have said that if he was a muslim?

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    I may not agree with Fox, but I defend his right to be a self serving divisive tosser.

    Not on his own then is he.

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    I may not agree with Fox, but I defend his right to be a self serving divisive tosser.

    Not on his own then is he.

    “Dont you you get fed up of calling people racists because they gave a different veiw of life to you?”

    And aren’t you getting fed up of getting so irate about footballers kneeling down for no more than 5 seconds. As IA has said, they have given the reasons they are doing it multiple times.

    So I direct your question back at you. What gives you the right to question the actions of the players who have a different view of life to you?

    First of all I am not irate, unlike yourself and others on this site I fully in controll of my emotions. However as a paying customer I have every right to question the quality of the service I receive and how its presented to me.

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    The usual suspects spouting the same old rubbish. Dont you you get fed up of calling people racists because they gave a different veiw of life to you?

    All people are asking is for people spouting conspiracy theories about why footballers take the knee, as opposed to the actual reasons which have been stated countless times by the players taking the knee either individually or collectively by their professional association, come forward with evidence to back up their claims. If they can fine, if not, stop posting crap or lies, which ever version you prefer..

    Ok what aspect do you want me to prove?

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    I suspect that his Christian faith is on similar lines to those of BPG. They only apply to a chosen few.

    Or that? Mr bigot.

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    j charles please read all previous posts on this subject properly, you clearly haven’t the ability to absorb what you read before you respond therefore your recent responses are totally irrelevant on this particular subject matter.

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