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    WonderGoalsWonderGoals
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    Mark Howard announces his exit from Scunthorpe via social media

    To be fair to him he was pretty good but equally dodgy at parts.

    Good luck to him anyway.

    I’d rather he was in goal than Rory “Butter fingers” Watson.

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    #206745
    cliffbyrnesrightpegCliff Byrne’s Right Peg
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    Disappointing.

    Long summer ahead.

    #206747
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    If Watson is number one for any length of time next season we will be relegated.

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    #206748
    DarrynStampGoalMachineDarrynStampGoalMachine
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    Has to be properly replaced or next season is over before it starts.

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    #206749
    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    When Rory plays we’ve always conceded goals, 17/18 played 4 conceded 11. 18/19 5-12. 19/20 23-36. 20/21 12-26. In total played 44 conceded 85, as much as we’ve wanted him to do well he just can’t hack it, at best he should only be 3rd choice with a record like that.

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    Rory’s cheap, cost counts!

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    Good luck Mark, you have caused me a lot of grey hairs with crosses into our box, not sorry to see this info, but good luck in the future, maybe retirement time.

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    Blimey Awaywego, if that’s right he’s worse than I thought!

    I also didn’t realise he was 25 now. I don’t think he’s going to get any better.

    Howard going is only bad news if he isn’t replaced with better. Because if Mr Swann still thinks Watson is our No1 we’re in trouble.

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    Even Swann can’t be that daft, surely ?. In his own mind he thought he was good enough but quickly backtracked with the signing of Howard so he must know deep down he isn’t/will never be good enough.

    Howard was dependable I suppose but nothing special. A 6 out of 10 gk for me.

    I just hope to god we sign a good quality gk as his replacement.

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    And to think we let Matt Gilks go on a free transfer, gone on to win 2 promotion’s, Bolton will probably want to upgrade next year with him been 38 and been a big club, would like him back to play until he’s ready to coach or manage.

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    Back as player/GK coach would be good, too expensive probably as we’d still need another keeper IMO.

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    it was when Howard got injured a few weeks back we started conceding goals for fun though Rory played well, is it the defenders try to protect him more than Mark and make mistakes instead, the proof is in the stats, can’t understand how he got a new 2 years contract a year ago after all his gaffs, he is OK as a no 2 but isn’t consistent enough, previous season we conceded a lot, put Eastwood in the team and started keeping clean sheets.

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    No loss. I can’t believe how easy a ride Howard has been given despite all his gaffes this season. He very nearly cost us that point at Bradford which could easily have ended up costing us our league position.

    Everyone was blaming Watson for, say, Forest Green but Howard came back in for the Newport game and we still conceded goals. Almost like our problems run deeper than just the goalkeeper.

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    Unforgiving position goalkeeper to many clangers and your toast, always remember Docherty bringing in Paddy Roche in for Stepney at man u and ruining his career, won the first game but then let in 10 against Liverpool , Man city and Arsenal and was dropped for the rest of the season.

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    Howard has been absolutely shocking and the only people that think differently are those not man enough to admit that our defeats when Rory was in goal were not all down to him even though he was blamed for the majority of them, I was one of the very few (if not the only one) saying our poor form was not down to Rory and last season has proved that to be the case.

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    If we hadn’t signed Howard we would have been relegated.

    I would bet my life on that.

    Howard was average at best and I hope we can do better.

    But average was a massive improvement.

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    Howard was average at best and I hope we can do better.

    When did average come to mean “crap”? As in “there is a lot of average teams in this division”. People rarely use it to actually mean average.

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    Howard 34 games 38 conceded, Rory 12 games 26 conceded, doesn’t back you up pat.

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    Unforgiving position goalkeeper to many clangers and your toast, always remember Docherty bringing in Paddy Roche in for Stepney at man u and ruining his career, won the first game but then let in 10 against Liverpool , Man city and Arsenal and was dropped for the rest of the season.

    I don’t think it’s right to say those three games ruined Paddy’s career, AWG, he was at United for 9 years 73-82, first as understudy to Alex Stepney who retired in ’78, then Gary Bailey 78-87.

    Roche didn’t play in the season they got relegated (1974-75), when the defence was like a sieve. Then, he only played a couple in Div. 2, aged 24 when the team was at the top of their game, and only a handful the season after, in the 1st Division (the games you mention).

    But, in 1977/78 he played 23 games for United, and the jersey was his into the following season when Gary Bailey took over.

    So overall, his career wasn’t ruined at United, or by the games you mention, but he was a bit error-prone.

    United in the 70s – it’s my ‘special interest’ haha!

    http://www.soccer-ireland.com/manchester-united/paddy-roche.htm

    But you’re right about bringing in a keeper too early. It’s a position which depends a lot on confidence, and in a struggling team with a crap back line it can disappear quickly and make a bad defence even worse, as well as ruin a young lad’s development. I think that’s the risk with Watson.

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    If we hadn’t signed Howard we would have been relegated.

    I would bet my life on that.

    Howard was average at best and I hope we can do better.

    But average was a massive improvement.

    Absolutely.

    A good shot stopper who is able to distribute, collect crosses and command his area soon moves up the leagues.

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    Paddy Roche didn’t he play for Halifax at some point. I’m sure we gave him shit over the wall.

    Re Howard he’s steady that’s about it. Glad he’s gone and shame he couldn’t of taken Rory with him.

    We have defenders as coaches but we can’t defend.
    Goalkeeper coach but can’t keep.
    Striker coach but can’t hit a barn door with a banjo or make the onion bag even rustle with a near miss. Only thing that moves is the corner flag.

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    After them games mentioned Paddy only played 2more game in a season and a half, and utd would probably have won the league if Docherty hadn’t been so stubborn and played Paddy in them games, and as history shows man utd were relegated in 73/74 not 74/75.

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    Howard has been average, but the stats really do speak for themselves

    https://fbref.com/en/comps/16/keepers/League-Two-Stats

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    ‘Even Swann can’t be that daft, surely ?. ‘

    Made me laugh. Where shall we start!

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    ‘Even Swann can’t be that daft, surely ?. ‘

    Made me laugh. Where shall we start!

    When you take into account he signed Howard after back tracking on Watson supposedly being good enough…think it’s fair to say Watson won’t be first choice next season.

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    utd would probably have won the league if Docherty hadn’t been so stubborn and played Paddy in them games, and as history shows man utd were relegated in 73/74 not 74/75.

    Aye, 73/74 when United were relegated – I might learn to type one of these days.

    But I don’t think it was Tommy Doc’s stubborness which got Roche into the team. Stepney was 34, and TD probably thought – quite resonably – that early in the season was the best time to give Roche match practice, when the pressure was less.

    In any case, one of the three games you mention was a League Cup game (v City when United lost 4-0). So, even if Stepney had played in the other two and United had won them both, they would have still been level on points with Liverpool at the end of the season, but United’s goal average would have remained inferior, barring a couple of 5-nils.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975%E2%80%9376_Football_League_First_Division

    But, enough of this anoraky stuff – it was a great team United had back then, probably as good as pre-Munich. Plenty of old videos on youtube. Like this one… Would Stepney have stopped Kevin Keegan’s header?

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    Your right G really enjoyed the Docherty era, so much flair in the team and didn’t cost the earth either, then we ended up with Sexton and the football was dire, bit like the last 3 seasons at Scunny, do you still get there? I haven’t been since Cantona.

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    Your right G really enjoyed the Docherty era, so much flair in the team and didn’t cost the earth either, then we ended up with Sexton and the football was dire, bit like the last 3 seasons at Scunny, do you still get there? I haven’t been since Cantona.

    I have no comment, just a shake of the head.

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    Y…really enjoyed the Docherty era, so much flair in the team and didn’t cost the earth either, then we ended up with Sexton and the football was dire, bit like the last 3 seasons at Scunny…

    Like all the big clubs, Man. United has become a global brand, and it feels too much like a corporate day out now, that’s if fans can get tickets. I haven’t seen them play live for years, nor particularly want to.

    But the Man U teams of the 70s were some of the best to watch from that era, probably along with Forest and Liverpool. Tommy D was a marmite manager even among the players, but the teams he built at United were electrifying.

    Sexton’s sides like those of SUFC now? Come on!

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