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Not sure if there is much more to be said until the court case, which has been lodged. I have no interest in from Swann on a regular basis.

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Tbf, I can see why I confused you. What I meant was that I don’t know how he can get a ground from Swann without paying him with this sub-leasing scheme or through a rent offer which doesn’t satisfy Swann. Like I say, I could be wrong, but it makes me worried.

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I mention the rent offer, of which I can’t see how Swann is obliged to accept.

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Aye, I have no knowledge of the deal, and not much knowledge of law. I just hope Swann dropped a clanger with how the stadium deal can be done, but I cannot see how from my own knowledge, and explanations I have seen don’t seem convincing.

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So you think Hilton can get the stadium for free and force him into a rent deal he doesn’t want? It doesn’t matter who the owner is. It could be Wharton, Swann, the Glazers, Elon Musk or Monty Burns, I don’t see how Hilton can claim GP based on his stated reasoning. I don’t see how anyone could just get a stadium essentially for free. Like I said, it’s not about believing Swann, it’s about the logistics. Of course I could be wrong.

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Yep. I don’t have to think Swann is the most trustworthy soul on the planet to wonder how Hilton can expect to play in a stadium which hasn’t been paid for or where the owner hasn’t accepted a rental offer. No matter the morality, I don’t see how Swann can be forced to accepting a rental offer from Hilton or allow him the stadium for free because of some loophole.

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They could have pulled out of Russia before, like others, but that blood money was too lucrative.

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I think Oppenheimer would look less cool in the promo if Cillian Murphy was smoking on a blue raspberry.

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This is so very tiresome. DM has just been critical at times. Being critical isn’t toxicity.

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On the other thread when you offered hospitality to me, Pat, you asked about ironing out the issues. It’s this; pontificating about who real fans of this club are when you aren’t one yourself, playing into the division some seem to love to sow. I can’t force you, but less of this demonising of critics as not being true fans would be nice, especially if you want respectful replies from DM and others.

As DM says, it was all invoked by a Hilton fan on this site and I don’t think it was meant in anything but humour.

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Look at the forum subsection it’s posted in.

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The reactions have been interesting. Often, when refusing custom, we hear how it’s the right of the company to refuse it if it doesn’t fit with the beliefs (see bakers and gay couples wanting wedding cakes). Of course banking is more fundamental to our existence, but legally it could get very messy regarding this, and for that reason I wouldn’t be surprised if Sunak drops it. It is odd seeing free market supporting Conservatives wanting state control over how such companies operate.

I do not like the exclusivity of banks in this regard, and makes me think lesser of them (especially regarding how they have handled the fall out), but I am struggling to see how we can stop exclusive banks like Coutts from acting like this, legally. It’s wrong, the cited examples include weak examples (liking a Ricky Gervais joke, for instance), but I think we should dial down tones of echos to Nazi Germany or any other totalitarian system. They wouldn’t have offered him an account at NatWest. I don’t think his political views are reason enough for him to lose a Coutts account, but if it was some totalitarian play to get him out of society, there wouldn’t be an offer at all.

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I do not believe in the mystical and miraculous elements of Jesus’ life, but there is much hisorical evidence for Jesus than many historical figures, such as Pythagoras, Homer (no, not Simpson) and Sun Tzu.

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I can’t believe Coutts thought they could get away with briefing news outlets that it was because of falling below wealth limits, if they were citing other factors in that document. Surely they knew it could easily leak out. So it looks like Farage was right. I am not sure what can be done about it though, since Coutts operate on being an exclusive bank.

Still, as much as this latest updates raises alarms, it amuses me to think ‘man of the people’, our Nige, has been banking with an elitist bank.

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I’d say killing everyone in a flood is pretty bad,pregnant women included

Yes but in bills worldview God said he had dropped a bollock flooding the earth and killing all those people and animals and he would never do it again. So because God said he was sorry, bill is cool about God taking all those lives, sort of like it didn’t really count in the grand scheme of things.

BPG would be more likely to say something along the lines of God is the ultimate moral arbiter, and who are we as sinful humans to judge its decisions? God is good, therefore its decision making, according to a literalist interpretation of the Bible, is good. The people of the time were sinful and had rebelled against God to the extent that death was what God decided worthy of them, no matter their age. God doesn’t make mistakes.

Of course other Christians take a less literal view of the Bible and such, but BPG is a fundamentalist and this will be closer to his belief.

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“A baby is sustained by the womb?”
What about a baby weeks from birth? You still agree that is not murder?

Also, a baby weeks from birth is still a fetus.

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I don’t think an abortion after a certain stage should be allowed, with the exception of when the woman faces risks to her own life. I still think there are complexities which means we shouldn’t treat it like murder. Most of the cases I am aware of involve such risks and the idea of a woman being criminalised for that is ridiculous; it would be like Gilead.

I will leave it at that. This topic has been done to death now, I have expanded on my views before and it would just be repitition, and I don’t think this will yield anything different. I apologise for making a snappy response. I do find the attempts at gotchas wearisome, and it is frustrating when I get straw manned. I can respect that this is an emotional topic and in your position, where you take a stance different to mine, it can seem astounding to you. I get that your position is that life begins at conception, but I think it is more complex. I don’t think any changes opinion will happen, for me, if those complexities aren’t addressed.

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Can you read? I have just answered that. It’s not my fault you are evidently too stupid to understand simple English.

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A baby in the womb,weeks away from birth,in your opinion had no protective rights and can be killed without punishment to the killer is your position. You need to think hard about your worldview and callous way of thinking.

Where did I say abortion should happen weeks away from birth? Stop lying. I have repeatedly said within term limits whenever this has come up before.

Well done on your self-righteous prattle though.

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A baby is sustained by the womb? They don’t crawl back in after birth. If you keep making deliberate emotional mischaracterisations, I can keep saying this.

I repeat, it’s about sentience for me. In the early stages of pregnancy a fetus is no more sentient than many other cells our bodies sustain. The abortion of such doesn’t therefore violate my own principles, because no other life has knowing pain.

This subject has been done to death, and I doubt there will be a great epiphany. Your repeated arguments don’t really win me over and I doubt they change others’ who disagree, and vice versa. I don’t really see the point in debating further, as it seems to be more of a chance to try and get one over us sinners. No doubt a snide comment about the ‘silent Christian’ is forthcoming.

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Well done to DM for teasing bpg out from his little game into what the thread is really about.

My position remains as before. The question is primarily about sentience for me, and fetus is the term you’re looking for. A baby refers to offspring post-birth.

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bill is very quiet, think he saw the lawn feed advert and caught the last train to Clarksville.

It was a good advert, just like this was:

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I cannot find any details of that business on Company’s House.

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I suspect there may be a few Iron in the home ends.

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I don’t think some realise how financially disastrous a groundshare would be, especially as attendances will lower. Alongside that, it will be for an indefinite amount of time, because the clock is already ticking on the new ground in 2 years and we’re not even close to planning permission stages, seemingly.

Let’s not forget that a groundshare needs to be approved by the league and club, and that’s not a gurantee at present.

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I saw it and you are correct in your assumption, IA.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mz0G0F-QfA&ab_channel=bbll22

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billpuntonsghost wrote:

Just wondering what the opinion is about the “just” sentence for such a crime?

There’s no point debating with you, because expecting it to be an honest debate is futile.

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That’s a kind offer from you, Pat. It’s very good of you. I just want to clarify that I have no ill will towards you really. I have said before that your hospitability and openness on Saturday shone through. I just have a few disagreements with how reactions have been to fans on here who have disagreed with and have queries of Hilton and his ownership. It may have been miscommunication or misinterpretation, and don’t worry, I wondered if the misnaming was something like that. I just wanted to let you know really.

My financial situation is a lot better now, so I am hoping to make future games when I can. If we can have a meet one game it would be decent. Thanks again for the kind offer.

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