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Where have I argued against IB’s post from being removed? It was removed because of the potential for libel and I understand why that is against forum rules.

I don’t know why you’re twisting my words to suit your agenda now. I am not referring to your beef with IB. You have repeatedly made comments which have implicated several of us on here (not just IB) as not being genuine, along with other digs. It’s this which is the issue. Such comments may have been clumsily worded, but that’s how they have come across to me.

Also, please get my username correctly, if you want to be respectful.

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I suggest you edit your cancer post too or it will be deleted,you’re just as tedious coming on here and abusing Iron fans as you have in the past is also unacceptable.David White doing so has led to death threats of our team and people’s families being threatened ,he hasn’t apologised.We moderate to our rules not who’s side your on.

He won’t be able to edit now; the time for editing will have passed by.

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I have not been able to get to many matches recently for a variety of reasons (including financial). However, I don’t claim to be a ‘top fan’ better than anyone else, nor does it invalidate concerns. Either way, I will still be supporting this club when I can, no matter what, while you’d slink away if it fails. Yet you come on here and make digs about who’s a genuine fan and it doesn’t come across as accepting of others’ opinions, to me. It’s this I have issue with.

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“and leave Scunthorpe utd to try and get to better times, without him dividing the fan base for his personal agenda.”

The same could be said for you, to be honest. At least at times. I am aware you were very hospitable at the weekend, which is commendable, but your digs and rants at anyone who isn’t so pro-Hilton is wearisome and divisive.

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Strange how IB’s post got wiped, given some on Facebook claim the runners of this site (admins/mods) have an anti-Hilton agenda. This is not an argument against removing posts which may cause issues with libel, but just an observation about the claims against this site and those who run it.

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I suppose any hope of discussion over the measles vaccine issue is now forlorn, now bpg has turned it into his paranoid conspiracy cinema club for covid.

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Sorry for the thread hijack, 64. On topic, do you know what caused the fans to be unhappy with VAR in this case? Did a decision go against them or is it a general protest because they don’t like it?

I have to say that watching football with VAR is frustrating and it feels like a big part of the game has gone. I don’t watch much Premier League, but with the world cup and european championships it just ruins the sponteneity of the celebration. A lot of the time for borderline penalties (if that) and whether someone’s armpit hair made them offside. No-one would have cared before it was brought in either way, but now it is some big deal for the officials.

I would have been happier with accepting human error from the officials in real time, as it was before. It was more enjoyable than this. It doesn’t even remove human error!

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Aye, two people need to complete the deal and we can’t just assume Hilton is in the right based on his say so. I don’t see the issues listed as unresolvable (may be wrong) and his history with Britannia Law and Company’s House show enough for me to be worried over competence and/or character. Frankly, from the interview with Adian last week and other things, it looks to me like he is not confident in his position on Glanford Park, and he will shoulder some blame for that (nope, Swann definitely doesn’t get off the hook). You can dismiss them all you like, fine, but they won’t go away for me until they’re proven to be wrong with action, not brags or words.

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I have no issue with that. However, some of us have scepticism of Hilton and digs at those of us who are won’t create unity. Such digs are not dissimilar to the wealth hating accusations from Bucks, UTI99 and co. I may be wrong in my scepticism, but I’d rather be wrong in this than shut down worries I have.

On topic now, I feel like this protest will be futile. It will take a lot for VAR to be removed now.

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On a serious note, I am pleased to hear reports that the performance was good. It’s only pre-season, so we shouldn’t read too much, but wins should hopefully instil a winning mentality again.

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Did they have enough pies at half time?* :-)

*Honestly no malice meant here. This is meant to be a light hearted comment and I am not meaning it as a dig like Bucks used to do.

UTVI (up the vermin iron)!

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I see the fans who want unity are slagging off fans again.

It’s like when criticism of Swann meant you hatef his wealth and wanted us to fail. No room for nuance. I hope Hilton proves my scepticism wrong. If the ground issue gets sorted, it would do a lot to ease genuine anxieties.

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Also mRNA vaccines had been a growing field of research for years and were close to becoming a thing anyway, regardless of the covid pandemic. They weren’t starting from scratch in March 2020. They just prioritised the covid vaccine, so stages ran faster than usual (less delay time and queueing) from then on, using research findings which had already been yielded nlny mRNA research in recent years prior to then.

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There were no steps missed in the trials compared with other vaccines. Waiting in a backflow isn’t vital time.

“The truth is this rushed through “emergency drug” didn’t have 100% security- how could it?? The consequences are being seen around the world.”

Maybe in fantasy land, but not in reality.

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I leave you boys to it I think, you don’t ever seem to have made a bad job of ripping each apart for the 99% of the time I am not on this forum.. and trying to rip me for the 1% I am on.

I gave you credit for what was a good job yesterday, so no ‘ripping apart’ from me. I will, however, disagree when you make more attempts to divide the fanbase. I am happy for people to disagree with my concerns. It’s a shame others feel the need to demonise others for disagreeing and then conflate such with malicious slander and abuse.

If you find disagreement on this to be beyond the pale, you should see what criticisng Hilton gets for you on the FB page or elsewhere. It’s not criticism, but insults and personal attacks. Yet I only ever see complaints about how to criticise Hilton is ‘toxic’.

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I wonder why drug companies fast tracked through bureaucratic stages during a pandemic and didn’t just wait for a decade while the virus was killing vulnerable people. They hardly made it a secret as to why it was a quick turnover.

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Maybe it is Swsnny or his family who post anonymously?… who knows?

Please stop trying to sow division. You made a good job in presenting your club to Iron fans yesterday. Stop trying to demonise anyone who is so much as querying Hilton.

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No Swanny fans here or elsewhere. Many of the ‘Swanny fans’ were being told how they should go support Grimsby and just back Swann during those years, often by the same people now saying that to criticise Hilton it must mean you’re pro-Swann.

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To be fair, Patrick sounds like a decent guy who did a good job in being hospitable to Scunthorpe fans yesterday, and has made some generous offers. All of which should be commended and is a nice reflection of his character.

I just think he needs to be a bit more aware that some fans are going to be sceptical, and that such decisions will get critique. Sometimes firecely. As long as it doesn’t lead to personal abuse and libel, such critique should be tolerated.

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Perhaps Hilton should look into that document and look to launch legal action.

Of course the contents of it would cause alarm at the time, given the nature of it. It’s why such libellous material is worthy of court action. We can argue the toss about how many maybe didn’t exercise enough critical thinking at the time, but it’s now seen as nothing. The creator did not spout pages of abuse on here; the document was created elsewhere, and first shared to The Fishy of Grimsby Town. We’re not responsible for the crap posted on some google document which gets shared here.

Scepticism of owners is commonplace. Sometimes it goes overborad, but I don’t want there to be a situation where it’s not allowed. I wouldn’t trust any owner who sees such as abuse. The last owner was thin skinned to criticism and that should have been a red flag.

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Richgy wrote:

I think most people from a neutral perspective think any sort of personal abuse is wrong , but from a balanced perspective he has given plenty back as seen by the early days on Twitter and most recently Facebook . Their is a difference between personal abuse and genuine questions of concern about the club and at times that has become fuzzy at best.

I think this forum has brought up some good points , obviously you will always get people with agendas both for and against someone but once you put that to one side there are some good points raised and genuine questions of concern.

Good luck for your team next season ,I noticed you have Leroy Lita up top he was some player back in the day .

Yep. I reiterate that abuse is wrong. I just don’t like how this seems to be being conflated with strong critique as a means to be dismissed. The drug dealer stuff was silly and malicious. It wasn’t created by anyone on here, and it soon fizzled out because of how unsubstantiated it was.

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Without wanting to sound rude, of you have not seen the abuse and insults on a daily basis to hilton and Dean you must be living on Mars…. or need an appointment at Specsavers.
He has been called a drug dealer, money launderer in Spain, fraudster, and the usual suspects would have in jailed if his library books were a day late…. sorry it has not been criticism or debate but pure hatred especially on this forum.

The drug dealer rubbish came from a document by an unknown person. Most of the comments on here have been critique and should not be conflated with this rubbish.

Regardless, existence of such malicious rumours does not make him immune from critique for decisions and those critiquing should not be dismissed. This is not the same as that drug dealer rubbish.

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I am sure the youth players weren’t the ones abusing him, so no excuses for how they were treated, nor the yo-yoing which messes with their emotions.

I still haven’t seen this deluge of abuse Hilton gets. Much of the stuff labelled as such is just strong worded criticism. If there is abuse, it may be best to separate the two, because too often criticism just gets lumped in as abuse, seemingly.

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I think the issue most have is the way it was handled, primarily. If Hilton cannot explain himself clearly, then it’s not the fault of the ‘usual suspects’.

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I have not said the two are always the same people. Yawn.

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This thread is not about covid. My OP did not mention it. Peope have opposed measles vaccines and the OP is directed at that. If you can’t understand this, it is not my problem. I disagree with covid vaccine conspiracies, but that is separate to the damage done to measles vaccine conspiracies (though there is overlap in claims).

Well done on your tedious thread hijack to make it about your loony conspiracies promoted by Mr bar magnet.

You presume too much. I have come across such claims before, think they’re nonsense and don’t see the point in wasting my time with them over and over when I don’t think it would make any difference to your opinion. Getting into how the outcomes have been massaged is not going to change your mind, no matter what, is it? Let’s be honest. You keep talking about covid when I have said my thread is not about that, so my trust in you changing your mind on anything is very low.

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I have already told you where the magnetisation claim is. If you can’t understand where to look for a video description on YouTube, it is not my problem.

Your ‘facts’ are being massaged here. The video demonstrates nothing about how we have excess deaths because of vaccines.

I have not muddied the waters regarding covid and other vaccines. I have repeatedly said this thread was about measles, but you were the one who brought up covid to make it about your obsession.

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Moving on from the tedious thread hijacking, measles rates have doubled when compared with the same time last year. Worrying.

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Once again, it’s the massaging by mr bar magnet which is the issue.

The media is adament they won’t make it, because the story of excess deaths decrease does not show what you think it does.

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It says so in the video description, as made by the youtuber.

In reality, excess deaths have decreased but are still relatively high compared with pre-pandemic levels. This is not evidence of vaccine deaths. If we dive into it, it’s a mix of the still existing virus, along with strain caused to the healthcare systems.

Not much to ponder outside of conspiracyland, where things mean them what you want them to mean, not what devious ‘MSM’ require for accurate and evidence based reporting. I will leave you to your channels reporting on how covid vaccines make humans into bar magnets and other such rubbish.

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