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There are so many red flags around the club at the moment that I would rather focus on this. Yet situations confirmed by Hilton, governmental authority (CCJs) and worries over ground issues are dismissed as mad rumours. I don’t think Hilton would confirm a supporter cap if it was a rumour, nor would legal proceedings go through on rumours; you’re not getting a CCJ because someone spreads a rumour about owed costs.

Do some of those who oppose Hilton have agendas against him? Very likely. However, I don’t see how that nullifies worries, including those which have been raised by them. It would be like focussing on the journalist’s background and ignoring any issues raised about the government, while supporting the government and saying we should be thankful for them. The agenda or background of the journalist does nothing to show the government’s alleged greatness or contradict claims raised by the journalist.

Lest it needed be said, I don’t want us to be in a bad position, but I think we have very worrying signs that we are, and not all because of Swann’s legacy. I’d be overjoyed to be proven wrong, but until the ground issues, CCJs, wage/redundancy payment and supporter cap issues get sorted or properly explained without any room for doubt, I cannot let go of such worries. Rubbishing them and pleeing to ignore them does not remove worries. Some people speak as if these issues wouldn’t exist if people didn’t come on to mention them. That would just make it more likely for us to be blissfully unaware. I’d rather know than not know and potentially be confused and distraught later on.

As for rumours, when is that state of the art training pitch being unveiled?

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mistertonmick wrote:

To me let them sort the mess out because it has nothing to do with the supporters, we can’t do anything about it, just remember a few months ago we were folding anyway, I am sure there is a lot of twists and turns yet to come, there is 2 posters that all they want to do is stir trouble among the fans so wait and see after the 29th because stirring it up helps nobody.

Bloody hell, A Bru poster talking sense, hallelujah!

One person speaking sense on here would already be one more than anyone speaking sense on that Facebook group. ;-)

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There’d be no trouble to stir if we didn’t have ground issues, CCJs, wage payment issues etc. This isn’t the fault of concerned fans.

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I am more bothered about holding Hilton to account and having worries over the club removed (ground issues, payments) than the identity of IB. Does he have an agenda against Hilton? From his interest and posts, it is likely. However, that doesn’t detract from what has been unearthed about Hilton or his handling of the club.

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Given we may lose our ground, are collecting CCJs, have wage troubles and have supporter caps, I do wonder when ‘rumours’ and ‘prophecies of doom and gloom’ are acceptable to worry about and don’t make those concerned a trouble maker/pretend supporter/idiot who should go support Grimsby.

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Do you post on Southend’s forum as well, just out of interest? Given their struggles and your sympathy for clubs in trouble.

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Have you got a link?

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“there will be delusional fans queuing up with their money to be part of hilltons latest ploy”

Will there be? They didn’t for the originally branded 1899 scheme.

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I suspect it will drag on longer than next week myself. Another hearing likely.

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CCJs, ground issues, supporter caps, dissolved businesses, involvement in a dodgy telemarketing company and regular late wage payments are facts, not rumours. Besides, my point was more about how experience as being someone who was slammed for questioning the owner would give you some understanding as to how it feels and a need to win over sceptics. Instead you just slam fans like Bucks and UTI did with Swann.

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I’d rather smoke them than ban them. ;-)

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I don’t know why you’re trying to deride women having football of their own. No-one’s forcing people to watch it, so BBC drives or not, it shows that people are interested when it gets some decent figures for the big event.

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I never claimed it was on the same level of popularity as the men’s game. Interest is clearly growing though, and it is getting higher figures than Wimbledon finals (men and women). This shows interest.

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12 million viewing figures say otherwise.

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Ego’s taken over now with you two

A bit like with Swann and Hilton!

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They have made 3 semis in a row, won the Euros. They have demonstrated their ability and done the nation proud. In the men’s game we have always had a tenuous claim to be a juggernaut, having little success to justify it. However, in the women’s game we have justification to look at ourselves as a favourite, along with USA, Germany, Spain and Sweden.

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Jonatahn Pearce was on and was bloody dreadful.

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I can understand why posts like ironeye/ironinsider’s get people’s backs up. He never makes any comment on us other than to just deride Hilton and it does come across gleeful when something happens. The problem is that some actual problems do exist and have been unearthed through the last few months.

I want the club to succeed, hope such concerns are ill founded. However, so far they haven’t eleviated. I am equally tired of Pat, and others, just lumping anyone not as gleeful about Hilton as not being true fans and just stoking division because some have a different opinion. That won’t convince sceptics that such concerns are wrong. Some may never be, but others might. Things like the CCJ, wage issue and SAG supporter cap can be worked around and explained. However they hint at a bigger problem to me (all of which seems to involve money, and they don’t give the impression that Hilton can afford to run the club as it should), and I don’t think it can definitely be written off as Swann’s legacy entirely. I will try to be fair to Hilton and say that he’s done a good job in backing a good squad for this level, but off the pitch matters count for our existence. Next week’s court case could be terrible for the club and we may need to accept that Hilton shares part of the blame (Swann already does and won’t get away with it without blame). Unfortunately I feel some will just attack anyone who thinks Hilton has partial responsibility no matter what. The converse may be true too, but that doesn’t make my point any less valid, I think.

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I remember when Pat was pilloried by Bucks and UTI for his views on Swann. It’s disheartening to see him act like them with those who disagree about Hilton, making stupid comments about who is a true supporter.

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What happened to the previous accountant? I thought the club were using Dave’s Ilkeston Town accountant a while back? Seems like a high turnover of staff going on.

You’re right, Dave’s mate came to deal with the clubs finances.
He’s gone, he wasn’t here very long.
Extremely concerning as wages are due in a week, also could it be sheer coincidence that the club were advertising his position the day before the CCJ was registered?

Talking shit again I see, just like your crap about a capacity cap at GP??? Don’t know why that would bother you though seen as you don’t even go to games?

The club doing so well must be killing you and your ilk.

You mean the cap that was confirmed by Hilton?

As for everything else, I think most are happy with the results and Dean showing signs that he is proving doubters wrong.

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Before anyone jumps on SNOT for a rumour, I will add that we don’t know that the CCJ is a hangover from Swann. The uncertainty of such should give some concern.

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Oh, is that the court date then?

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..”Non Christians come to Christian countries and talk crap about Christianity and nothing happens to them.It’s just incredible.”
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You think that is a stab at Christianity? If anything it’s a positive reflection. I don’t know why you’re guffawing as if you have some massive gotcha. Come back when he makes jokes about the concept of original sin or something which is a light hearted jibe about the religion or the adherents, which is less of a positive reflection.

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I did. It was rather tame, given there was no actual stab at Christianity in that joke.

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No issues with taking a stab at Islam with humour. I do wonder how you would take stabs at Christianity.

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Bill usually complains about others being negative as well. I am more confident of us on the pitch.

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Well, they did get a sausage roll for starter, sarnies for main and wotsits for pudding. ;-) And if they don’t like it, they should be thankful to the saviour for saving the club, blah, blah, blah. :-|

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Esecially when it is someone who is evidently divisive. Just as with Gary Linekar. ;-)

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I don’t think speaking to fans of previous clubs is the only indicator. His Ilkeston record gave me initial hope. Then I saw the Company’s House records, nature of Britannia Law Ltd, the handling of the ground issue, the confirmed supporter cap ‘rumour’, the lack of wages paid on time etc. Some of these, like the latter can be mitigated quickly, but it raises alarms about his claims to fund the club, especially with a court case looming over the stadium and claims from the other side that he can’t afford it.

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Pat O’Cake wrote:

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Many of the Swann sympathisers, like bpg, Brianiron etc, are backing Hilton. I don’t know where this idea that Hilton critics or those with concerns are Swann lovers have come from. Swann will never be forgiven by me for his idiotic handling of the club and for where we are. It doesn’t mean I am going to just blindly back Hilton though.

I don’t remember ever saying anyone should be blindly backing Hilton, what I am doing is backing him until I am given a firm reason not too, and I do mean a form reason, not rumours by shit stirrers claiming to have “inside knowledge”

I have no issue with that, but resent the idea it makes me a Swann worshipper when ground issues, supporter cap issues, wage issues and now a CCJ give me enough cause for concern off the pitch and these have Hilton’s responsibility in them.

It doesn’t mean I like Swann at all, but Hilton’s giving me enough cause to have doubts.

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