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Having had 17 games and failed to develop anything he will be at the level he knows.
I expect nothing other than going to win every game from season start to its finish. Normally say 12 games before a decision needs making. But in this case 6 maximum. Tough world !!
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Playing at Spalding has benefitted him. Regular games at a tougher level helps develop. I hope those offered all stay, they will have great opportunities next season as we rebuild.
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May 2, 2023 at 1:32 pm in reply to: For Pity’s Sake When Is The Very Short Retained List Announced? #261492The coaching aspect is a good point. We’ve had players look utter dross or bang average and go on to significantly improve elsewhere. Hill/Hurst in particular are good football league managers, why could they not turn the tide?
Our failures are systemic and pass from one manager to the next and one group of players to the next. Hopefully Hilton can change the culture at the club; No mean feat.
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Hurst – saw his attitude on 2 occasions once when watching the academy at Winterton and then watching the U23’s at Birch Park, Bottesford Town. Was shocked at what I saw. And then it seems he upset Mr EGO.With Keith Hill – like many thought good choice but quickly realised a disaster was on the cards !
I’m predicting that Dean will play the U18s and we find out they were the answer all along. 7v1 win for the Iron!!
Not sure he is that sharp.
Not leaving Michael Nelson in control for the remaining 17 games. But he knows that now.
But I don’t think he realised how detested The EGO is and trust had been reduced to zero. I realise Mr Hilton needs time but he made mistakes – as I said Nelson, he was 1 and then the debacle over the Academy set up and then the U-turn. It was all avoidable if he had spoken to people first and come up with a plan. I mean some coaches found out they were sacked as they drove to Bradford on a sunday morning !
Let’s see what unfurls during the close season and the managerial attitude when the season starts. Because if targeting is in the thought processes from game 1 it will be difficult.
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He had 17 matches with nothing to lose ! He could have entertained, maintained the stability that Mr Nelson seemed to be creating.
But the ‘nothing to lose’ became completion of a created demise. His post matches are as bad as Mr Cox’s and that takes some doing !!!
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Let justice be served.
Has anyone read anything where he said “Goodbye” !
Never wished us good luck did he ? And did Will Swann depart ? That is based on the recruitment made to support Jimmy D. – awe inspiring was it not !!!
Cox ,Hill, Daws, and Wilcox.?
If Hill has anything it’s as a racconteur; Cox is alright, Daws spoke quite well and Wilcox too. There’s no comparison.
Hill and Cox should have been nowhere near the managers job !
Wilcox – not particularly inspiring but the players liked him.
Daws – one temp manager option too many.A U-turn would not have been needed if proper discussions had been held.
It is obvious nothing had been discussed with any coaches in the academy before the ‘it will be scrapped’ statement was made. How do we know this – well that morning the U15s were away at Bradford and a parent said the coaches actually received messages from friends about what had been said ! They had not got a clue !!
That was wrong, then you find out that to shut it down was actually going to cost a fair amount of money. That would have been known if the correct people had been talked to.
Now we need to see what the financial plan is to fund the academy moving forward.
So for me the jury is out on Mr Hilton.
We seem to move from one incompetent decision maker to another.
£1500 a week is a ridiculous wage and yet our new owner infers we wasted money, this does not improve the situation does it ?
Academy saved now, viable business plan in place plus support from the Chairman, I’m guessing the doom mongers will be grumbling about something though. Well done to the new owner for listening and considering a workable plan, not like the previous guy whosw word was law whatever others thought.
But did he change his mind once he realised to shut it down immediately would not save a penny. That actually was going to cost him.
Strikes me that no discussions had been held with the Academy before the original statement ! Which seems very strange.
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There is no comparison Nelson to Dean.
Nelson had a mess to sort out. He did that while bringing in stability, a balanced set up and improved confidence despite losing players on what seemed a weekly basis. Dean had all that sorted for him – so he has performed poorly.
Messrs Hilton and/or Dean have loaned or got rid of players and replaced with some that would rank highly in the ‘Will Swann Book of inadequates’ – what an achievement !!!
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Tom will be gutted with what he did. Can only think he got frustrated with those about him who don’t care.
Even though from Sheffield he loves the club, I have seen him in Academy days have lumps kicked out of him and he has never retaliated.
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Has to go. Admits that some of the players have quit and don’t care and that is why we lose yet picks the same group the following game ! Don’t pick them ! Put U18s or U16s even U15s in.
Or shame the non triers in a game. Even if you lose players to injury if there are 3 players visibly not interested sub them all at once not matter when in a match ! Earlier the better of course.
But Mr Dean is letting whoever get away with it while the fans suffer.
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If we had actually developed our own as opposed to some of the Will Swann recruited dross I think we would have had more of a chance of staying up.
Up to Michael Nelson the managerial choices were very poor. Formations, tactics and repeatedly changing too many players game after game then you add square holes round pegs the plan worked a treat.
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Another well thought thru idea !!!
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Said at the time hoped Nelson got the job until end of season but understood owners choice.
Now I do not understand why he is still there. How many players has he had the opportunity to use ! Still can’t settle a formation which should be 442. His pre and post interviews are so predictable and quite frankly boring.
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To Rene Artois – I do believe when Lincoln City were non league their U18s and others had to raise their own funds, they got very little from City. So outside sponsorship would be fine by me. What league they would compete in I am not sure.
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Been to The Sloop at Barton today for lunch. Their Steak & Ale Pie is the best I have ever had. If only they could supply Glanford Park. The gravy is to die for too. Magnificent scoff. UTWI
Just asking, was John B. there ?
Thank you travelling food critic.
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Thank you for the change of heart.
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In terms of redundancy cost, a lot will depend on how they employed the services of the academy staff.
It is common in sport for organisations to engage the services through a PSC (limited company), and give them yearly contracts through their limited company (I’ve worked that way for many years with England Athletics). If the academy staff were employed that way then there will be zero cost to the football club. If however, they are contracted employees of Scunthorpe United then undoubtedly there will be significant redundancy costs.
A few years ago a company in Hull used to end every contract after a year. Then gave them another 1 yr contract. This was done to disenfranchise them under employment laws, you needed 2 years to gain your rights.
Someone challenged it and at tribunal they won their case and the firm had no alternative but to accept they lost the loophole. Possibly same here if that is the way they operate.
The speed of the announcement and the unprofessional treatment of all in the Academy adds to concerns.
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Totally agree Rene. Simon and Ian are the two to have taken over our Club. They could have bought our Club, the same as Hilton has done. They were told it had all to be sold as one, the club name, stadium and land. Hilton still hasn’t bought the stadium and land. It appears Swann is still pulling the strings.
They had no chance of buying the club. The EGO was scared they might succeed ! Supposedly one of the criteria demanded by the EGO was club protection – that worked out well.
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The 1899 scheme came out too quick. It had been well thought through and basically the fans were paying off the owner. The person responsible for the clubs demise got rumbled.
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The EGO never said goodbye, never gloated but most telling did not wish us good luck !
Now you know why.
The site where these are has got some gaps. But these are listed.
Said at the time of the ‘takeover’ that I hoped Nelson kept the job and allow HIM to bring in 2/3 players that HE wanted.
This about Dean sorting out the mess I disagree with Mr Nelson had brought a lot of stability, he had also worked out a system that started to deliver. Not earth shattering but fans did seem to like the way it was going. 17 matches to go was not the right time to bring someone who did not have the experience.
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He was only 20 !
Brutal world.
Apparently, anyone who criticises today’s performance need to get a grip and put things in perspective CT. Slippery slope that, if you ask me.
Tough, if they don’t like criticism then they are in the wrong jobs !
How many there thought the team backed off and offered nothing going forward ?
How many think we set up to deal with them ?7 games left and Mr Dean reckons the club needs 4/5 wins to stay up – fans have a right to comment, criticize because they are spending hard earned money. It isn’t just the defeats it is the nature of it, this club used to fight for everything no matter who the opponent was. They didn’t give in, they didn’t get above their station. Now over complication is the name of the game.
Said at the time I hoped Mr Nelson would retain the job until the end of the season, see little reason to change my mind.
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