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    lesgeolesgeo
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    For a side which apparently has over 6 dozen midfielders (exaggeration perhaps, but only a slight one) – how come we cannot put out an effective midfield?
    Every match is an embarrassment heaped onto a load of prior embarrassments!

    Alright, Ogle could have done better by arriving quicker on their first goal but the acres of space in front of the centre of our box was dreadful.
    There were so many times in this final game, in ‘the upper echelons’ of the footie pyramid, when there was a funnel-shaped hole in front of the centre of our defence which could leave over 20 yards totally uncovered!
    Youngsters apart, where the midfielders are concerned, personally, I’d let ’em all go.
    Well done to Robertson, BTW.
    It seems like every week that I end up bitchin’ about our midfield.
    Incidentally, I assume that they had more players on the pitch than we did.
    Dorking buzzed around and did little else. A half decent CM would have put a stop to that.
    Tactics were irrelevant if individuals can’t: pass; cover; shield the ball; tackle; tackle back; anticipate etc, etc.
    It wasn’t that they weren’t trying – I believe they were – but just aren’t good enough.

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    mkironMK Iron
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    Agree Les that was one of the poorest midfield performances I have ever witnessed from the Iron.

    Sembie-Ferris was comfortably the best of the initial four which tells you all you need to know about Pugh, Shields and Rance. SF at least reached the heady heights of shite. The others didn’t get close to that level.

    Elsewhere roasted Leake was on the menu again today.

    Shrimpton, Butterfield and Robertson came on and all of a sudden Dorking did not seem to have a midfield after dominating the first hour or so.

    That’s 5 seasons now we have come to the end thinking “Thank god that’s over”

    I would keep Ogle, Foster, Elliot, Shrimpton, Butterfield and Robertson from today’s showing. Happy to drive the rest home.

    #261306
    ironlion82ironlion82
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    Nothing will change next Season if Dean still in charge.

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    #261308
    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    Well, it might, but the signs are extremely dire. Could also get worse.

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    cassidystashcassidystash
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    Pugh booked after 10 minutes meant he had nothing to offer thereafter.
    Can we get Whitehouse back or doesn’t Jimmy rate him?

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    #261319
    Lord KitchenerLord Kitchener
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    I want to see what a full season without Swann will be like. I just can’t imagine any further decline. This is the bottom as far as The Iron is concerned. It might (or might not) take a couple of seasons to climb out of NLN, but I don’t expect us to drop another league.

    Perhaps NLN is the right level for JD thus far. Let us all learn together, and improve year on year. Try to run before we can walk will see us trip and fall…

    #261322
    cokeovenkidcokeovenkid
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    We don’t seem to be hearing much from Dean, what’s that all about ?

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    TheJuryeffsOutTheJuryeffsOut
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    https://twitter.com/HumbersideSport/status/1652391753574383619?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

    Haven’t bothered listening myself, but he has spoken.

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    IronaweIronawe
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    He claimed they didn’t listen to him and there was no difference between part time footballers and full time (only on a Tuesday). To his credit he apologised for not being good enough but if we start poorly again with his players its not a done deal that we’ve finished dropping

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    NorthumbironNorthumbiron
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    Pugh booked after 10 minutes meant he had nothing to offer thereafter.
    Can we get Whitehouse back or doesn’t Jimmy rate him?

    If he’s any sense he will.

    Whitehouse has been bossing the midfield for Chester, and scored again yesterday. If he’s feeling the love at the Deva and Chester go up, then I wouldn’t blame him for wanting to stay there on a permanent.

    Failing that we need to keep Butterfield. Certainly don’t want a crèche for a midfield!

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    cassidystashcassidystash
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    He claimed they didn’t listen to him and there was no difference between part time footballers and full time (only on a Tuesday). To his credit he apologised for not being good enough but if we start poorly again with his players its not a done deal that we’ve finished dropping

    I’ve said before that IMO the players have little or no respect for Dean. All of them, even the youngsters, have been FT professionals for longer than Dean and clearly think they know better. Maybe they do and that’s why they don’t listen.

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    #261359
    Iron-aweIron-awe
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    Your dropping back into the old Lawrie McMenemy routine again cass, have you forgot already 🤔

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    Lord KitchenerLord Kitchener
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    We have just been relegated to NLN. If these players had a scooby doo then they wouldn’t be in this mess. Better clubs will not be queuing up to sign any of them. Next season the idiots will be released, tossed onto the scrap heap, Dean will sign his own choice of players and those disposed of will quickly be forgotten.

    Let’s see what the future brings, you never know, it might be very good!

    UTBI

    #261361
    hakeeeebhakeeeeb
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    Retain the Shrimpt.

    #261363
    ironfromafarironfromafar
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    Whspers from codland they are watching/keen on Shrimpton and this name mentioned in Bru earlier Chadwick whose i believe is on loan at Boston from Hull.

    Barring the youngsters like Robertson Poulter etc I would be hard pressed to choose max 3 or 4 who should be retained .. for the most part theyve all been total gash.. also cant see the likes of Shields Butterfield staying

    Chappo Elliot Ogle Whitehouse ..

    p45 the rest

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    cassidystashcassidystash
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    Your dropping back into the old Lawrie McMenemy routine again cass, have you forgot already 🤔

    Yes, it’s an age thing. What day is it?
    TBF I did remember I’d said it before so some bits are still working.

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    #261366
    cassidystashcassidystash
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    Retain the Shrimpt.

    We have enough anonymous MFs. Let The Cods have him and get somebody in that you can see affecting the game. (Not the way Pugh does though)

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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    ‘anonymous MFs’. Harsh but true.

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    BottesfordIrons5North Lincolnshire Irons
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    Our midfield has been in decline over the past few seasons but I strongly believe this is the worst midfield we have had over the last sixty odd years. Can’t understand why Pugh has been given a contract, he’s a liability and didn’t understand why Dean let Whitehouse go out on loan. I hope we keep Whitehouse and Butterfield and do hope Ogle stays. Robertson looks promising as does Shrimpton but I don’t believe that they are good enough or have enough experience to be first choices. I’m not sure on Beeston although he did look to be improving until injured and I think if O’Malley plays definitely not as full-back but played more as a winger, his crosses and free kicks are his best attributes.

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    #261383
    WonderGoalsWonderGoals
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    It’s already been announced what we’re doing to some extent.

    Pugh has already been offered a new deal
    Shrimpton has had his additional year activated on his contract
    Nat Wallace, Josh Robertson, Sellers-flemming and Poulter have been offered deals and were said to be close to signing a few weeks back

    Elliot, Carver, Boyce, Ogle, Butterfield and Chapman are under contract for next season

    Foster is said to have suitors and sounded like to me that Dean is expecting him to go. Out of the others I would keep Sembie Ferris, Richards Everton, Gallimore, Moore-Billam and maybe O’Malley and all the others can piss off, including Rance who’s not only a sick note but utter shit.

    Going slightly off topic but why did Dean play Leake when he’s due to go back to Hull City ?. I would have thought it would have made more sense to start O’Malley.

    I didn’t really get that personally.

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    #261384
    cliffbyrnesrightpegCliff Byrne’s Right Peg
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    Beestin is under contract too; he’d be one of the first out of the door for me along with O’Malley. Those lads are conditioned to losing, along with Tom Pugh who hasn’t displayed enough for me to warrant a new deal

    For the rest of the players, the first thing I’d be doing if I was Dean is getting them 1-1 and asking them why they want to stay And what they can offer. If the answers aren’t satisfactory then they’d be going on the transfer list.

    This is one of the worst Scunthorpe United teams in our history and they have downed tools for a good part of this year. They have got away lightly in my opinion.

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    WonderGoalsWonderGoals
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    Beestin has picked up injury after injury and even before his spate of injuries he was declining. Only reason I’d keep O’Malley is because he’s got a good enough quality left foot and is versatile which we’ll need for next season.

    I will however say I don’t think he’s a full back but having utility players with good enough ability who can cover 3 or 4 positions can’t be so easily dismissed.

    I thought he did pretty well in CM under Nelson when we were hit with injuries. I don’t think Dean rates him anyway so don’t think he’ll be staying around regardless of what I think.

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    #261395
    lesgeolesgeo
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    Beestin – the new Hallam?
    Sorry but, for me, Shields is another from the Beestin school of ‘how to show flashes of excellence approximately once every twenty minutes or so.’

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    cassidystashcassidystash
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    One of the most frustrating things for me les. We have players lacking ability and we have to accept that, blame the recruitment and question their selection. But players that have the skills to play at NL level and higher but choose to show that ability all too rarely I just don’t understand. Can we send them to the steelworks for a week of nights to show them how lucky they are (and what’s in the pay packet) or is that not allowed.

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    #261402
    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    Couldn’t be a coaching issue, could it?

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    At some point, we are going to have to realise that just changing all the players every 6 months isn’t going to solve our problems. Where’s the coaching? When is a manager going to improve some players and get more out of them? What about the people signing the players and scouting new ones?

    This endless churn just creates instability.

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    #261420
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    God forbid Tom Pugh is in our starting midfield next season.

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    #261425
    lesgeolesgeo
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    Has to be on a minimum wage equivalent. Grafter as a cheap extra body on the staff?

    Butterfield’s salary is what worries me – it’s rarely mentioned. Wouldn’t be surprised if we couldn’t have six+ very decent NLN standard players for his salary.
    How did we get a Championship player to come? – I’ve never understood that. At worst – could have gone into League One.

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    WonderGoalsWonderGoals
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    I can’t see Butterfield staying anyway. Dean the other day said he was targeting people who had good experience that basically weren’t passed it, as he passed comment on us having “too many players like that” at the club and he’s to go down a different route.

    I read 2 or 3 weeks back that Rance who was not only signed injured was also on £1,500k a week. That comment was made by Yeovil’s chairman on twitter who were also in for him.

    Butterfield would be 3 or levels above the other players at this level but as you say les, I bet he’s on a fair wedge and I honestly can’t see his game lending it’s self to that level of football.

    I don’t think he’ll stay anyway in all fairness. If we’re honest Butterfield really is a league 2 player and could quiet easily play at lg 1 level. I’d be surprised if he didn’t have football league offers.

    I expect Butterfield, Beestin, Rance and Hallam to all go. Daniel and Feeney you can put in the same bracket really, we could do with a clean sweep.

    Shields can go as well for me…he’s got good ability but is far too patchy which is probably why we got him on a free from Barnet in the first place.

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    cliffbyrnesrightpegCliff Byrne’s Right Peg
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    At some point, we are going to have to realise that just changing all the players every 6 months isn’t going to solve our problems. Where’s the coaching? When is a manager going to improve some players and get more out of them? What about the people signing the players and scouting new ones?

    This endless churn just creates instability.

    The coaching aspect is a good point. We’ve had players look utter dross or bang average and go on to significantly improve elsewhere. Hill/Hurst in particular are good football league managers, why could they not turn the tide?

    Our failures are systemic and pass from one manager to the next and one group of players to the next. Hopefully Hilton can change the culture at the club; No mean feat.

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