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Deereyme66 wrote:

It certainly created ‘a stink’ on socials

It did, and it was really unseemly of Mrs B.

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Awaywego wrote:

Just above minimum wage would seem very insulting to me even if it was a new post Hilton wage structure.

Wasn’t the ‘just above minimum wage’ claim from his wife on social media too? Seem to recall that but may have got it wrong. No idea what the actual truth is on this aspect.

I’d suggest that when Mrs Butterfield said “just above minimum wage” it was a deliberate downplay to mislead supporters into thinking he’d been offered £12 an hour.

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Awaywego wrote:

Just above minimum wage would seem very insulting to me even if it was a new post Hilton wage structure.

So, you’d accept a new wage structure being put in place but wouldn’t accept it applying to you?

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Rene Artois wrote:

If we don’t go up, it’ll be the fans retained list that counts.
That is, those that will be purchasing a season ticket and those POTD punters.
I think attendances are bound to dip if we’re still in NLN next season.
I’d guess they will be 750 to a 1,000 less if we aren’t in the NL.

There may be a bit of a drop off – and hopefully if we go up there’ll be an increase.

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Awaywego wrote:

Butler decided last season, saying Butterfield didn’t fit in with his plans and don’t we know it.

If I recall correctly, the Club made Butterfield three contract offers, which were rejected by the player – so I’m not quite sure how that squares with what you’ve suggested Butler said.

The issue was Butterfield moving onto the post-Hilton wage structure but kicking off about being on less money than other players (who were still contractually on the Hilton wage structure). His Mrs sold it on social media as Butler and the Club being insulting to Butterfield when, in fact, he was insulting the Club by not accepting the drive to cut coat according to cloth and she was insulting the Club by not mentioning it.

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MK Iron wrote:

Usually middle of the week after the last game.

Last year it was 10th May (two weeks after the Play Off semi-final on April 27th).

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Patrick0811 wrote:

…your campaign to derail Hiltons take over of Matlock

Hiltonesque paranoid accusation.

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Patrick0811 wrote:

Deeryme accused me of try to pull a PR stunt to persuade the Matlock fans…anyone remember that?…. just wonder if he will admit it was a master class performance from a burger flipper against a host of Hilton haters with all their negative reports of anything to do with Hilton they could find on line?…. or maybe,…. just maybe, the Matlock fans did not like the hatred displayed, but rather preferred my balanced approach to the situation, and also considered the good situation at Ilkeston with Hiltons long time involvement, and the disastrous 7-8 year situation at Scunthorpe with Hilton not being involved with about 99.9% of it.
I have the utmost respect for one of your members though…Awaywego, the only one of you to break ranks and question things that don’t quite add up at Scunthorpe, he is a credit to you all, with not sucking up to the official Irn Bru line and assessment of everything that goes on in Scunthorpe football club, and the rest of the world, and I am very surprised Irn Bru are not trying to run the show with the steel works, with Deeryme being the union shop steward shouting the odds… sleep well boys, I will.

Snifftastic!

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Awaywego wrote:

Apologies I read it wrong it wasn’t 80% who voted him in, just a vast majority.

Either way, turkeys voting for Christmas.

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TwoWrights wrote:

Convicted fraudster, and recipient of a letter from the FA warning him of his conduct.
What could possibly go wrong with this fit and proper person as an owner?

It’ll all come out in the wash.

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What are we predicting then, folks? That the Cricket Club and the Football Club won’t exist a year from now?

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it didnt matter against PBS we missed so so many but its become a bad trait that will happen in games where it does matter and chances must be taken.

We missed plenty against Kings Lynn, we could have won that 3-1 or 4-1 – just watch the highlights video.

We also missed a couple of good ones against Radcliffe.

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MK Iron wrote:

If someone gave me the best budget in the league (by a margin allegedly) and the best squad of players (Butlers words not mine) then I would be expecting promotion.

We haven’t not been promoted. That’s my point about some of the comments I’ve seen bandied about. Why lay into him / them at this stage when the season is not over and we don’t know whether ‘the job’ has been done or not?

… and what would you expect him to say about his players? Part of man-management is to keep your team emotionally buoyant as that surely improves confidence and therefore performance. I’ve never heard him say “We’ve got the best squad of players”, but I have repeatedly heard “I believe we’ve got the best squad of players”. There’s a subtle but important difference, imho.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

Yes, I think that’s fair

A lot of the entitlement and histrionics comes from attachment to our former status. I do sort of understand it as it’s pretty embarrassing to have fallen to this lower level. But I think with our Club’s recent off-the-field history, being calm, measured and realistic is the best way forward. And being fair about Butler’s efforts is the done thing.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

It’s a similar pattern at other ex-league clubs when it’s not all rosy on field. Bury the most obvious example until recently. I think Butler’s done fair to middling this season but there are numerous mitigating factors already cited.

I’d say middling to good. In his first season as a manager that is not a bad effort – and he’s learned as he’s gone along with a fair bit of dignity imho.

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Iron-awe wrote:

More lke the finest Colombian coffee sprinkled on top with that fine Colombian white powder him and his criminal friend seem to enjoy.

A line of David’s Dandruff followed by a can of Red Bullshitter.

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Iron-awe wrote:

Some fans spit their dummies out when things dont go the way they think it should, entirely understandable it happens at all clubs and all fanbases

That’s true, but in our case it seems particularly entitled.

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cassidystash wrote:

The comments are understandable though. We have some of the best players in this league and the strongest squad in the league. What we don’t have is the best manager. For clarity, I think he’s done OK, but “could/must do better” is a fair assessment.

We also have some players that aren’t the best in the league. We’ve also had an injury to a key striker which kept him out for almost two months. We’ve also had off-the-field noise a bit too loud in recent weeks.

We’ve also got absolutely no right to presume that because we were fairly well-equipped to do well that we actually would do well. That’s not really how football works – it’s still a bit of a lottery when there are other teams battling and bullying their way forward in this league. But you can mitigate against that as much as possible – and I think we did do. We fell a bit short for a spell, and our ongoing away form has been average, and those things have cost us the title. But we’ve been relatively consistent across the whole season and we’re still in with a shout of getting promotion. So I’d say Butler has done quite well.

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We’re still in with two possibilities for promotion. One of them is highly unlikely and out of our hands (ie. results elsewhere required on Saturday) and the other is through the Play Offs.

It’s not ideal as there is still the element of jeopardy at this late stage when we might have already wrapped things up. But it’s a bit much to keep reading comments about how we should have absolutely pissed the league and Butler is a failure. It smacks of entitlement.

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Patrick0811 wrote:

That’s fine, you are entitled to your opinion.
I am just going to have a cup of tea

You sure it’s not a cup of Kool Aid?

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Patrick0811 wrote:

In this free country everyone has the right to do what they like

Piss poor nonsense to justify morally redundant behaviour.

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Patrick0811 wrote:

I feel if your club had won the league,and not be in the play offs again, there would not be the interest in Mr Hiltons business interests?

Wrong.

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Patrick0811 wrote:

if you constantly attack someone who has moved on, it means you can not/have not moved on yourself

Hilton’s tenure is an actual part of our Club’s history so we’re entitled to discuss him as often as we see fit.

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Awaywego wrote:

Little chance of that though if Hilton gets the club you saddos will be wanting it to fail won’t you.

No. We’ll be wanting him to fuck off, and the Club to survive and prosper.

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shall we go through all the anti democratic guff we went through after brexit.

… and how’s that worked out for ya?

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Iron-awe wrote:

He started at Kings Lynn and I think the general view is at the moment he is more effective as an impact sub, I go along with that, the threat of him running at tiring defenders in the last twenty five minutes or so has been very entertaining to watch and has brought more goals. Unless through injury he has to start I would make him sub right through all our remaining fixtures this season.

I agree. I’d much rather see Ubaezuonu start and Federa as an impact sub.

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he is young and is allowed the odd duff game, its part of his experoencing building, you know that.

All players are allowed the odd duff game.

Federa’s impact on our season has been tangible, he’s provided a lift, some excitement and some decent action. Personally, I think in the last couple of matches he may have been a little nervous, starting to overthink things slightly and also actually bullied out of his game a bit (Kings Lynn).

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Deereyme66 wrote:

‘Wouldn’t a more positive spin and actually stating the facts that Matlock fans support and welcome the Hilton taking full control of the club by voting for the proposal “A”’

Ridiculous, man.

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Awaywego wrote:

Wouldn’t a more positive spin and actually stating the facts that Matlock fans support and welcome the Hilton taking full control of the club by voting for the proposal “A”

One man one vote democracy unlike yours Apollo on another thread where your wanting to buy votes, where 9 life members could get voted down by one monthly contributor.

One £10 contribution one vote. So 12 £10 contributors could have the same say voting power as a £120 contributor. That’d be up to the 12 to cooperate and coordinate themselves, and the perceived disparity might encourage them to commit their support in a more tangible and meaningful way.

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He’ll get in. There seems to be next to no visible resistance.

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