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No, we think or worry that the club is going down the drain because of the owner.
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Herbet’s saying it was deleted because of abuse in the comments and potentially falling foul of Facebook rules.
Another reason for professionalism in communication from the owner.
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Many have said that they realise the difficulty in what happens next, even for those who have no trust. Many have said that he’s done well to get a good squad together, but that doesn’t excuse the lying, the inability to pay, and distrust because of his own actions and words.
I have said that if he is to go he should find a buyer, no excuses. He took it on, it’s his responsibility to find someone else, no matter how long it takes. It took Swann two years. The fans are not at fault for ‘hounding him out’. If critical voices are enough to drive him away, then the only way he could work is if everyone self-censors and toes the line, which is unworkable. Yes, this last week has been a lot of heavy criticism from some quarters, but that was always going to be the case after his previous lies and accusations hurled at anyone for having concerns.
If fans are going to make the “you drove him out” excuse, prepare for it to get ugly and fast. I don’t want that, but I fear this will be the case. Of course, it will be Hilton who will be quite pleased about this, so it takes any pressure off what he has done.
As for Swann, why would he be cackling away? He’s still not got his money for Glanford Park and this puts uncertainty in recuperating it. I doubt he is some cartoon villain desperate for us to fail, and I think this mono focus on him has blinded some to any kind of worries over Hilton.
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Enough of this. With a few exceptions, most of us have been charitable and not insulting other fans for having a different view or used it to one-up others. A lot of focus has been on Hilton sceptics in proper behaviour, with some complaining of abuse against Hilton on this site. Meanwhile, many turn a blind eye to the growing escalation from Hilton fans on social media, of which Jason is one.
Worryingly, Jason has a relationship with Hilton and Simon Elliott and is now making what is easily interpreted as a threat, thinly veiled. They, and others, need to have a word and calm him down. We’re all entitled to different opinions on this matter in a country which values free speech, without glorified thugs wanting to silence it. I don’t expect Hilton will bother, but surely Elliott (who has been videoed with him) will realise the wrongness of this.
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I wouldn’t say a post making allegations about a poster’s links is as important as those about games or the current off-field issues.
People make this big deal as to who IB is, but I don’t see why it’s of major importance. He says he is a fan of another club who experienced hardship and is now interested in other clubs being run well. That may be true, but he takes a large interest which would be unsurprising if he was someone who had previous dealings with Hilton and got burned. Ultimately, I don’t think it matters too much, because what matters is the content and the content he has shared has had a lot of truth in it and this has proven useful in being able to ascertain what kind of character Hilton is. Which is important, since he is the owner of our club and that comes with huge responsibility. I am not a fan of overly secretive handling of club matters; I understand that not everything can be out in the open, but there are some things which I would like to know to have trust. We don’t know Hilton’s wealth or his source for it, for example, and IB’s work has revealed concerns there. I can only see faith in such as blind faith at present, and ignoring it will only cause the problem to go potentially undetected until it’s too late.
All this talk of IB being a Swann associate is mere rumour, but it will be interesting to see if those suspicious of rumours about Hilton (not talking specifically about on here) will just take this at face value.
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A) Its Hilton not Hillton ..unless he’s changed it again :)
B) It’s not your club.
C) How does that single line post ..I won’t call it a sentence or sentences ..actually help anyone?You forgot:
d) It’s your, not you’re.
Ironically, Wondergoals has the inverse problem.
I don’t see the point of this thread. Is something new happening? Or is Ironeye just on a mission to be happy about being vincidcated over the survival of the club we support.
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There was no need for this Steve Francis to insult him like that.
We shouldn’t be this nasty to our fellow fans.I haven’t watched much of this guy’s stuff, but he seems like a fan who just wants to believe the club will be fine. He’s been taken in by Hilton, and it’s Hilton we should be blaming for taking advantage of his good will, in my opinion. Two men are to blame for our mess; Peter Swann and David Hilton, not this guy.
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Some are saying they’d help out with a phoenix club if it got to that.
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Great article. Sums it up perfectly.
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Yeah. I wouldn’t want us to become another MK Dons/Airdrie Utd situation.
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Yes, I did. I apologise, as I thought I could edit it in quickly before a response could be made (and the 5 minute limit). I will say that this is one fan’s opinion, who is of the Bury AFC side, so others may think differently and I have no idea how much of the fanbase is split, since it’s just the one fan.
This fan spoke to me first when it came to Hilton. Suffice to say he isn’t a fan, and was telling me all the issues they found out when Hilton expressed interest in them. The failed companies, Britannia Law, suspected jail time etc.
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I agree. He was an incompetent buffoon, out of his depth, petty (see how he probably treated Simon Elliott) and egotistical. Utterly unfit to be owner and one of the worst football owners a club has had. I don’t think he is this comic book villain people make him out to be though. I doubt he gives us much thought now, other than wanting the money he sees as being owed for the stadium.
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I said yesterday, I’d prefer he stayed rather than cut loose. That would appease those who don’t want him to leave and leave him more open to ongoing scrutiny by the authorities and not potentially disappearing.
An interesting point. MK Iron puts the statement of getting round how people who don’t like him and wished we had someone else as owner can’t just want him out immediately. I realise it’s a tricky situation. However, I cannot understand how others expect those of us who are sceptical or disliking of his ownership can support him. I find him utterly unfit to run this club after his dishonesty, accusations against others which are quite slanderous to say the least and amounting suspicion that he can’t fund the club.
For those with similar opinions, what are we supposed to do? Does anyone think it’s reasonable to swallow doubt over very serious worries and support someone they do not trust? If our success is dependent on every fan swallowing worries and not airing their mind, in case it hounds him out, it isn’t workable. Les and MKiron make good points in what happens without him, but I do not think he has the money anyway and I find it hard to back someone I distrust so much in owning the club. Just as many did with Swann, despite opposition and the same claims hurled at them (and they turned out to be correct).
One possible solution would be to grin and bear it, hoping he does the best, but remaining very wary. I don’t see how this week’s revealings can lead to anything but increased wariness, given the nature of it all. People have said that he deserves second chances and such, sure, but this comes after dishonesty and a serious crime related to scamming people of money. Of course he could have rehabilitated, but how can we be sure? I would say this would demand vigilance. Yet such suggestions and concerns get accusations that you want the club dead and picking on poor Dave, who has regrets. I am admittedly bamboozled at how we are expected to throw caution to the wind and support him given the context and circumstances. Some have taken it to absurd levels.
I don’t want to appear harsh. People with depression deserve sympathy and people deserve second chances. However, I don’t like the idea of depression being a prevention from criticism and it doesn’t protect from people disliking your actions and words. Second chances should be possible, but people who have done serious wrong should realise that greater scrutiny may be there, because we only have their word that it won’t happen again. Current issues around wages and pensions indicate that he may not be the most responsible or able to pay for his obligations.
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Ironeye, I happen to think that you were right in having concerns about Hilton. Interested Bystander too, whose previous revealings have painted an interesting picture in the light of recent revelations. However, the tone of this seems rather celebratory. I do not want to accuse you of such, and realise you will feel vindicated now, and this is maybe a part of it.
Do you know who will be revealing the trail of destruction?
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