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I am still trying to get my head around the “Feck off you criminal but keep paying (at least some) of the bills until you find a nice new owner for us that will pay Swann twice the value for his land” message.
I understand that some people find the deception unforgivable – not happy about it myself but my default is to give people a chance when they have made a mistake. I struggle personally with the low tolerance to someone making a mistake having made a few myself but fully respect that people have to be true to their own belief system and moral code.
But if you want him gone then surely you want him gone right now. Why on earth would he/should he keep paying the bills and take responsibility to find an “acceptable” new owner?
I think most people realise, even if they don’t like him, that if he was to cut and leave immediately, without a buyer, we’re in big trouble. If anyone was calling for him to go like that, we’d get accusations of wanting the club dead (as there are anyway).
As for mistakes, his mistake in the past was rather deliberate, not an accident. We should get second chances, but what has he done since coming here? Lie, accuse others of being trouble makers out to get him. I think those who were concerned are going to react angrily when it turns out their concerns had validity after being told how bad we are for having concerns or for raising them. He hasn’t apologised for this, nor for his indiscretions, which were coupled with self-sorrow. Even then, he couldn’t resist in blaming others for daring to bring it to light. Chances are that we’d never get this admission by Hilton, unless someone like The Athletic journalists brought it to the forefront. I’d be more accepting of mistakes if he had been honest, and far sooner, apologised for his actions (and not just the fraud) and we didn’t have concerns about CCJs, unpaid wages etc over our heads.
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The problem now is that after not being truthful about the prison/fraudulent past claim, with these being dismissed as rumours by trouble makers, it removes any credibility when he denies any other rumour. Of course, that doesn’t make those rumours true, but it means they’re going to be less easily dismissed.
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If Hilton can’t handle comments on a messageboard that aren’t supportive, deary me. My experience is that companies fail because of fragile egos at the top who cannot handle dissenting opinion, which often leads to poor decision making and poor staff happiness and support. The fact is that Hilton lied to us, saying that he hasn’t used other names besides Hilton and White, hasn’t been to prison, said that fraud claims were nonsense and launched accusations against anyone for suspecting he had. Even those, like the owners of this site, who hadn’t even got involved with these accusations.
After all this, we’re supposed to just accept it and believe anything he says, or we’re at fault? Nope, doesn’t work that way, I’m afraid. He’s had the backing of many, still does, but has been found to be dishonest about an incredibly serious issue after stoking division against those who had concerns. I was concerned before, and that wasn’t good enough, and now some of the concerns have come true it is still not good enough, apparently. Nothing will be good enough, seemingly, other than clapping and giving moral support to someone I do not think is fit to run a football club given his shadiness, aversion to honest disclosure (until he can no longer refute) and still more concerns around (not paying players, for example).
I have discussed the perilous nature of our position and have said multiple times that I realise it’s not a case of him cutting dry for our sakes. However, ideally he finds someone and sells up to someone more befitting, so him and his circus can clear off and we don’t have the mess which seemingly travels wherever he goes. Of course, he can prove me wrong, but after months of nonsense from his mouth I think I am entitled to be outright sceptical of the guy. He controls this football club, not me or others pontificating away on a football messageboard. Any negative fallout from his decisions will be on him.
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I’ve put in my application form for Celebrity Big Brother. ;-)
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It’s embarrassing. They are happy to slag others off, but will say others are toxic. No matter what happens, what matters is that we are all SUFC fans. Sceptical of Hilton, dislike of Hilton, liking of Hilton, trusting of Hilton; I am sure the vast majority are motivated by wanting what’s best for the club. We may differ in how that may be, but surely we can recognise that we have a commonality. Unfortunately too many Hilton supporters just want to berate and attack others because their opinions irritate them, because they want to think that all is fine. For unity, we have to accept not all buy the words of Hilton, just as some didn’t with Swann. Unfortunately, I suspect we will get more toxic accusations that anyone who thinks differently wants the club dead.
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The abuse he’s getting from so-called Iron fans on Twitter is an absolute embarrassment to the club.
never mind Twitter, it is worse on here, I don’t think some want to have a club to support
Airing criticisms of Hilton, even vociferously and passionately put, is abuse. Worse than people attacking Taft on twitter, calling him names, saying he doesn’t deserve to be paid and more. Got it.
There’s nothing more incendiary on here than those insulting other fans’ support level right now because they don’t trust Hilton. Seemingly the only way to be a true fan is to clap Hilton along, regardless of whether you trust him or not, according to some.
If I didn’t want a club to support, I’d back Hilton like crazy, since I think he will be the final nail on our coffin if things continue.
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An allegation from someone saying he did the same thing to his brother at Ilkeston now. He really is the world’s unluckiest man have so many players try and swindle him with demands for wages, when he just wants the best for the clubs he represents.
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He has the funds, he says, and agreed to take on the debts, so it’s not good enough. If you were owed money for work, no matter how well you did it, you’d want payment for owed wages and wouldn’t like an employer to make excuses, I would imagine.
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I have to say that this thread raises some good points:
While you might be tempted to feel sorry for Hilton, even after he confirms the Athletic's story is correct – that he did time for fraud – if you stay to the end where he attacks Matt Slater, denying the story was in the public interest, you will hear someone unfit to run a club. https://t.co/vJ8Hm1eQfV
— Martin Calladine (@uglygame) September 11, 2023
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‘Hope he continues on the path of redemption.’
Serious question JI. At what point have you witnessed this redemption you speak of? Today, after being forced to admit? Sorry, not seeing it mate. Hollow words from him in my opinion.
Fair question,Deerey. And I may well be wrong. Sometimes you go by instinct.. gut feeling if you like ..and then make the call.
It may be linked to my own chequered past and the turn around that came.for me. Also perhaps to some past struggles with mental/emotional issues. Maybe this has distorted my judgment ..but I think I heard some raw honesty and genuine humility in an interview that he didn’t have to take. If I’m making an error of judgment I’d rather err on the side of grace rather than t’other way. IBs forensic analysis earlier could be bang on accurate ..but boy is it cold and merciless. I’d rather live next door to a broken guy struggling out of his mess than a cold-hearted pharisee.I agree with the sentiment in looking for the best in people. However, some people will use their own pity to manipulate. Is David one of those or is he genuine? I am not going to make a full commitment, because I do not know his own mind. I do know that he has lied, hurled accusations against others for having concerns (many over these kind of rumours) and not apologised for this. He has hurled further accusations against the journalists for doing their job. What they unearthed would be hurtful to him, but the story was of public interest and it’s not their job to protect his feelings.
I have suffered with anxiety disorder and depression, so can understand and feel sorry for him with the thoughts he goes through. However, it’s not a justification for the continued poor behaviour displayed by him towards others. Did he think of others’ mental health (like the owners of this site) when he was making incendiary remarks against them? Unfortunately, it’s this which has made me sour and reduce my sympathy on this. I am sorry he deals with depression, but am not so sorry for his own decisions which have caused him grief.
If he goes, as some have suggested, I hope he stays a while to find a buyer. If he just clears off and leaves us in the lurch, I will think dimly of someone who would risk our club like that.
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I realise I have been babbling on for a while, so will sign off for today now with saying that I hope, beyond my inner feelings and judgement, that you’re right and somehow things can work out. I just don’t know how and feel like we have been utterly destroyed. Maybe 90%, or whatever, by Swann, but Hilton’s alienated me further and further and we are still a circus. Dejection is the closest word to my feeling right now regarding SUFC.
Don’t worry, the rest of my life is fine. :-)
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We’re going to get demands to know the background of that journalist, as if that matters, aren’t we?
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Don’t worry, I won’t be saying you are any less of a fan than me (because I don’t think that). I am just offering my opinion and realise others disagree, and aren’t necessarily any less valid. You won’t get self-righteous proclamations about how others want the club liquidated or dead from me, because we’re all fans at the end of the day.
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I can’t speak for others, but I feel as sick as a parrot today. I feel despondent and that our club is dead. Swann slashed us to our last breath and Hilton is delivering the killing blow.
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