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You must be one of the few Brits who has a subscription to the NYT, Ironage. :-)
We’ve had people defending Israeli apartheid on here for years
We have had people defending antisemitism on here for years and making out criticism of stuff like laying wreaths for Black September terrorists was ‘legitimate criticism of Israel’ or opposing such is ‘defending apartheid’. Not to do with the thread though.
The Labour Party will make our lives unbelievably different
Aye, hopefully for the better after the tripe the right has served us for 14 years.
One thing that indicates lack of intentional antisemitism is that anything linked to Jewishness wasn’t mentioned. They likely heard him say he would have some time off and a spark went for a desperate attack line.
At this point, they are throwing everything at the wall and hoping something sticks. Including how Labour will force you to abandon your cats and dogs and Worzel Gummidge coming out of his long holiday to bluster with his faux-Shakespearean tome.
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I think it was caused through ignorance rather than outright malice towards any Jewishness, but ultimately it was an attack on Starmer for this when his reasoning was because of his Jewish wife. I would say it’s still antisemitism when it’s an incident of ignorance and dim thinking, and even if there are worse examples.
I agree. This is an appalling antisemitic attack line. This Tory campaign has been nothing short of shambolic.
I wish we could play like Spain. Very exciting to watch and they don’t just sit back and defend a 1 goal lead. I find this Spain more exciting to watch than the Iniesta/Xavi//Busquets glory years. I feel bad for Georgia to lose by this margin because they have played so well this tournament and in the first half this game, but fatigue has come into for them I think. Still, that doesn’t take away from the magnificence of this Spanish display.
Awful
Airing investigative journalism that dares to criticise dear leader is ‘election interference’. I suppose, in Farage’s ideal world, he would get nothing but softball interviews and puff pieces. An authoritarian mindset. https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1807049835410805113
The people trying to stitch up our Nige apparently didn’t realise that it’s wise to give actors a fictional name for their part. It’s almost as if the activist wasn’t acting in any way.
Aye, which is why more will vote for them than Reform in all likelihood.
The accusations of racism, homophobia etc under his watch are all smears to do a good man down. I have heard this tripe before.
Rooney to partner Keegan surely? Gazza’s Euro 96 blonde haircut is surely iconic for CM?
I suspect it’s more likely that internal polling and canvassing has indicated to Labour that this is not as likely to be winnable as other seats, and there is a budget. Therefore, they have probably decided that it’s best directing resources to marginals where they have a better chance, like Rees-Mogg’s North East Somerset seat (which has indications it’s edging towards Labour), over spending money on something unlikely to be a winner. Hardly a conspiracy to get Farage in, this has been done for many elections and this won’t be the only seat it is done, but it makes some murmurs because of the high profile brought to it by Farage.
In fact, this might solidify the “anyone but Farage” vote, with some swing voters who could be persuaded by Labour going Tory to keep Farage out.
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Seaman in goal with his pony tail. Beckham and his corn rows on RW.
Dire. Most boring team in the tournament.
Those sources all quote the Hamas health ministry for those figures. My point isn’t to argue against the horrors of dead civilians, there will likely be a lot. I am just saying the figures given will likely include militants in the total, and while it’s tragic anyone goes down the path, it’s not evidence of genocide and would be legitimate targets. Russia has lost 400,000+ in the Ukraine war, but I don’t think that means Putin’s ‘ceasefire’ to benefit Russia should be accepted when it was caused by their unprovoked war for imperialism.
That said, this doesn’t mean I don’t want a ceasefire here. The outcomes are tragic, but Hamas have not accepted the latest one which Israel did, though Netanyahu is squirreling. If the hostages can be returned and peace can be guaranteed, it would be great.
Yet none get called genocide. Also, my bit in brackets about who I am referring to is relevant.
As for those casualty figures, how many are civilians? 38,000 dead civilians and 0 dead militants is nonsense. Also, this is all reported by Hamas. The Israeli hostage rescue rescued hostages kept by a journalist, so even some pretending to act as normal civilians aren’t. Hostages kept among civilians to maximise the death toll. As Sinwar says, Hamas loves death more than life and he sees the war going to plan because the more dead Palestinians the better, since it will mean the world turning against Israel and them getting their one state soluition with none of those ‘evil Jews’ to worry about (when they get to deal with them).
None of this means that the actual civilian cost isn’t high, that there shouldn’t be questions of how military tactics are conducted under the circumstance of an enemy like Hamas who are trying to maximise civilian casualties. Netanyahu is trying to use the war to cling on to power, he is a man with few moral values. The casualties are horrible all the same, but maybe a loony religious death cult that is a splinter from a movement of Hitler admirers (The Muslim Brotherhood) share the blame for starting conflicts for a ‘resistance’ (which seemingly entails raping, butchering and mass slaughter).
My dislike of Hamas for what they are isn’t for how they treat Jews or other Israelis either. The dead and struggling Palestinians wouldn’t be dead or struggling if it wasn’t for their deluded Nazi-like extremism. The answer to this is hard, but it isn’t with more grievance mongering, from either side. I don’t like the right wing Israeli Jews who get videoed attacking Palestinians or destroying mosques in gaza as part of the IDF. However, people like Ahmad (below) are those who restore my hope even if it’s a little bit.
I am not a fan of clickbaiting, especially when the people doing it are trying to claim they’re being a level head. It comes across just as blinkered as someone like Mark Goldbridge saying England have to win the Euros because we have the best squad without consideration for things like squad balance.
In the article it makes the claim that the only reason we rate our players is because of performances brought on by foreign players. Then goes on to state that even unheard of players for Georgia, Turkey or Romania can play better than England’s because of this. I am not overrating players to say that Bellingham, Foden and Kane are better than their players, in my opinion. I don’t think Ancelotti will come to this great realisation that he has been had and that he is better off swapping Bellingham for Kocharashvili because of how they have played for their national teams.
It works out the other way too. Many times we have seen players impress on the international stage only to flop at club level. None of the Greek Euro 2004 squad became superstars at club level. Milan Baros impressed that tournament but was weak for Liverpool. He wasn’t facilitating Gerrard. I suspect that some of these Romanian, Georgian and Turkish stars wouldn’t replicate their international form at club level, so I think it’s a bit more complex than international football sifting out the chaff. Coaching comes into it too.
Given the article is written from the ‘neutral ground’ of Scotland, I wouldn’t be surprised if the author has been biased negatively from the locals. I have seen some Scots claim that we are ‘at their level’. Seems a bit like bitterness to me.
Personally, I find that quite a narrow minded article based on stereotypes that do nothing but shore up an opinion that a manager, who despite being so good to guide crap England to semis and finals, wouldn’t be touched by top clubs or the nations with prestigious histories in tournaments. If France don’t succeed they wouldn’t touch Gareth with a barge pole, even if they get over the nationality issue.
I have an Italiajn friend who has said similar to English fans, know Czech pundits who have said the same thing and so did Cesc Fabregas. I suppose they don’t have the balance of neutrality though.
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The point JI was talking about is relevant to those saying that there has been genocide against Palestinians for years, going back to 1948. I think it’s a strong rebuttal of that, given the Palestinian population has increased over the years despite claims of ‘genocide’ since 1948 from some quarters.
What is going on is terrible, of course it is. The problem is that some (and for the avoidance of doubt, I am not referring to anyone on this board here) are trying to make this some extra special case, when it is not dissimilar to the situations in Syria, Ukraine, Sudan, Yemen and so many other warzones, so the idea that this is genocide and the others not doesn’t come from any kind of balanced perspective. Just because the loss of life is a tragedy, it doesn’t mean we should just fling accusations around and use emotion to attack anyone calling for a bit more nuance. For one, I don’t think it’s particularly good to be demoting the victims in Syria, Ukraine, Yemen, Myanmar, Sudan etc to of lesser importance when their loss of life is just as bad and the situations they have experienced are not dissimilar to Palestinians.
I find your post to be “right team, wrong team” as much as anything to do with religion, to be honest. Just provocations and no attempt to understand different perspectives.
I don’t think pundits questioning how Kane performs can be labelled as abuse really. The pundits were all reiterating how they like Kane, but think there is a limitation in how he is being played after 2 weak performances. It’s the job of pundits to analyse, not cheerlead, so Kane should learn to handle it and do the talking on the pitch.
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Lord Nigel Haw Haw was stitched up again by airing his appeasement views again. His foreign policy opinions are no different to Galloway or Corbyn.
My friend in Czechia was saying the Czech pundits were laying into Southgate yesterday, pinning a lot of it on him.
Yet teams like Albania can get their players playing to the best of their ability and can do the things we failed to yesterday. However, I don’t think that Foden and Bellingham are so overhyped that they are worse than Albania’s players, with no disrespect to Albania’s players. Many of the errors made yesterday aren’t being made by them in their clubs; they can make intricate passes then. When Pep, Ancelotti etc can see the worth of Bellingham and Foden, as well as the managers of the clubs all the others play for, I don’t think the issue with how we are playing lies with overhyping. It may be things like attitude (I think the so called ‘golden generation’ had a big issue with getting egos to work as a unit), so it may not be all the fault of coaching, but I think it is a large aspect with the dreadful system that just invites pressure.
The players did not do themselves any favours yesterday and should be able to make simple passes no matter what. However, a lot of it seems to be stemming from the system. We sit deep a lot of the time, but especially after going a goal ahead. The players get pinned back and Kane is practically a defensive midfielder at this point. There is then no outlet and the ball keeps coming back with us under pressure. This is on Southgate, and this is before we get into Foden and especially Trent being out of position, especially the latter. With constant pressure the panic rises and the morale drops, while the opposition gain momentum and it’s hard to switch back into higher gears after that.
It’s similar to what happened previously under Southgate. Except then the opposition couldn’t live with the talent we do possess, and Southgate’s instilled unity helped a lot, but now they have figured how to nullify the talent and we seem to be struggling more. This hasn’t been a one off. Since the last world cup we have struggled in games. Many of those games aren’t so meaningful, but it’s a worrying pattern. The game has moved on from ‘managing’ the game by sitting back and trying to stifle the attack. The ‘tiki taka’ of Barcelona and Spain, plus the pressing brought in by German coaches has rendered it archaic. Now this is becoming more common, well drilled teams like Denmark can nullify it and the better teams are only more likely to do so. I don’t have any confidence that Southgate knows how to play differently or adapt with the players at his disposal.
It annoys me when some say we have to be winning the Euros with this squad, it does come across as arrogant. However, they are right in that we should be performing a lot better with this squad. It may be true that some players may be overhyped, but the star players we have do demonstrate good passing, pressing and moves into space for their clubs. I don’t think the only reason Foden can do this for Man City is because De Bruyne, Rodri and Bernado Silva enable him to pass a ball quicker and more accurately. I don’t believe that Bellingham can look like the star in a Real shirt because of Vinicius Jr, Kroos or Nacho. If they were so bad as to not be able to pass a ball they would stand out like a sore thumb. If they really are so overrated that they struggle like this, then it sweeps by pretty much every expert. So many nations like Romania, Austria and Turkey have impressed so far, but I don’t think their players are as good as England’s. Not because of overhype, but because they don’t necessarily replicate it in club shirts or stand out like English players. It suggests to me that the underperformance seen so far is not because of overhype, but lack of gelling, ineffective tactics and systems. There may be an issue with players here, but a lot of this falls on the coaching in my opinion.
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We did have some scrappy games in previous group stages, but none of the performances were as disjointed as yesterday from memory.
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