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It wasn’t Michelle who found them and argued for them, so I hear (from months ago). I think they trusted someone on a recommendation and it went awry.
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Yeah, but fans pay money so are ‘entitled’ to voice their disgust at poor performances. Never mind that their vitriol creates a toxic atmosphere that feeds to players, creating a feedback loop that leads to more poor performances. What matters are people being able to show how angry they are, as that makes them better fans. How else would the players and Butler know that they have underperformed if they didn’t have fans to run up to them at full time to call them a w*nker?
The abuse is unacceptable- however if supporters choose to voice their displeasure towards another mind numbing performance at home with booing, so be it. Let’s not rewrite history either, for the majority of the game yesterday it was flat as a fart other than the odd groan. I was shocked the attendance was still
Above 3,600 tbh.On a human level, Butler has my sympathy as you never want a manager to fail, but the reality is, he’s been given the biggest budget in the league, the best squad on paper, and 4,000 home fans with a wave of goodwill heading into the new season. The fanbase wasn’t toxic in recent history when we were helping to pay the staffs wages, buying shirts in record numbers and turning up with higher crowds than league 2 clubs. They have responded to the dross that is being served and the Alfreton game looks to have been the turning point.
Not since this Midlands league have we been the biggest side in a Division, with that is going to come expectation. If the staff or players find that unreasonable, there are plenty of part time sides in this league that will give you an easier ride.
I don’t think any on here are under illusion to the nature of the performance and I haven’t said otherwise. It was still poor.
I think Butler’s radio chats are his way of protecting the team and trying to build morale, rather than criticise too much and turn players against him. I would suspect his overly optimistic comments are related to this, and he probably saw the somewhat passable final 30 minutes where we were more in control as the reason for such comments about nearly being there, alongside the defence being less broken than a few games ago. Many managers are like this and I don’t think they’re so deluded that they are blind to the issues. I certainly don’t think the managers or players need to be hollered at or booed to understand that the performance was actually not good.
Paul Hurst had a more honest interview strategy and was criticised. Gary O’Neill did at Wolves and was criticised for throwing the team under the bus by Wolves fans. It could well be the same here if Butler did that and if Butler included himself in the criticism we’d soon have people asking why he doesn’t resign if he admits he’s been sub-par.
Players should be able to deal with booing, though I have never been sure as to what good it actually does, but we have also had defence for hurling vitriol at players and coaches from some quarters and my comment was more in line with that.
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If the threat to the club comes from hiring an underperforming manager then God help it. Hardly the same level as the club being gambled away by a chancer and taken over by a spiv out for himself.
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Yeah, but fans pay money so are ‘entitled’ to voice their disgust at poor performances. Never mind that their vitriol creates a toxic atmosphere that feeds to players, creating a feedback loop that leads to more poor performances. What matters are people being able to show how angry they are, as that makes them better fans. How else would the players and Butler know that they have underperformed if they didn’t have fans to run up to them at full time to call them a w*nker?
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Whitehall looked a fish out of water and totally disinterested in that position. Not good enough, but it wasn’t his natural position. As soon as Whitehall was off the only player who has scored goals was Beestin! Players don’t seem to be playing near enough to Beck for his flick ons to ever make a mark, which makes you wonder why the game plan is to keep that up.
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I doubt he was a Nazi enthusiast. I sourced the tweet and they are talking about Irish writer, Francis Stuart.
Many of ‘the flock’ still seemed to back Hilton after the fraud ‘rumour’ was confirmed, with many sycophantic comments on the Facebook group. The worm turned when more shady behaviour, CCJs and laughable excuses for not paying staff (with a clear sign his mismanagement was risking the club again) came to light.
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Though most people in jobs don’t have members of the public shouting at them for any mistakes, chanting “get the data analyst out” or “sort out the spreadsheet numbers, you twit” at the end of a shift, and if they did it would only make things worse.
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That interview was a huge disappointment. It’s clear Butler is under a lot of stress and he was asked some ‘gotcha’ questions, but it was incredibly unprofessional. Even if under pressure and you don’t like how the questions being asked, a manager should deal with it more maturely and reasonably.
I don’t know if it has already been done, but he could probably do with a word from the board this Monday. Not meaning a bollocking or formation suggestions, but a check up to reassure and reminder of professionalism. At the end of the day, he is a human being. He has not made the best decisions on the pitch and in handling Radio Humberside lately, which does deserve criticism. However, ratty interviews have happened before, and as supporters we can still try and do our bit to support.
I am not saying we can’t criticise, but a lot of what I have seen isn’t criticism, but vitriol. Ultimately, even with crap performances and form, there is going to be huge reluctance to sack Butler when we’re still 2nd in the table. I am not saying that this league position is a shield from criticism, but the club won’t want to appear sack happy and let any potential future manager know that they aren’t going to put them under too much pressure. Butler has disappointed, and many have said that they want him to turn it round, but others have seemed eager to slate and insult. Awaywego says that some will be disappointed that Whitehall scored the goals, but some give the impression that they take consolation in poor results to slag off Butler to be seen as being right. That may not be the case, but is the impression given by some.
None of this means I don’t get frustration. I am frustrated, including with Butler. However, surely we can do our bit and support. I don’t see how braying at the team will help morale; it will only worsen it. Also, I don’t mean to ‘happy clap’ them off. After poor performances and results I stay silent and walk off, since I agree that it wouldn’t deserve clapping. However, a loss is likely to lessen confidence anyway, so why worsen things by making the players fear crowd reaction?
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I don’t think Marvel are onto a winner with their latest superhero film, Supermod. A superhero with a penchant for editing out libelous and racist posts, and calling for decorum, meets their match when a fearless maverick comes on to call the manager of their favourite sports team a simpleton and low IQ. It doesn’t sound enticing.
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