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Bpg, being against Farage’s or Lowe’s politics is not Marxism – it’s a rejection of a style of politics that is divisive that many on the centre-right also disagree with. You don’t have to be Marxist to oppose demagoguery. It’s great that your beliefs make you happy and at peace.

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Bpg’s video claims to be an argument against evolution, but it’s only argument against evolution itself is that apparently people don’t look at the other options (despite the fact that evolution is scientific, a hypothesis has been provided, and generations of scientists have tested AGAINST the hypothesis – unlike the religious acceptance of the contents of a single book). The rest of the video is merely showing they don’t understand the difference between evolution (how life changes over time, using DNA, fossil records and observed changes as evidence), cosmogenesis (how the universe came to being), abiogenesis (how life came from non-life) and morality . We know a lot less about cosmogenesis, making it an easier argument by religious folks to believe in a creator (but there are various other possibilities). There are valid debates on abiogenesis too. Evolution, however, has vast evidence supporting it’s existence, arguing against requires more than a book saying sloths were created by a divine being and they travelled from mount Ararat to central America without leaving a trace

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Romans wasn’t the bibble hexacontahexalogy (Pro edition, the Cath release version had extra deuterocanonical episodes – a bit like ewok movie in the star wars franchise)’s best episode. After the poor Acts episode, it was an attempt to be a bit like Inbetweeners with Paul being Jay, planning a stag weekend in Rome with lots of references to sin. They spent most of the planning around the main character (same image as them, but also invisible and omnipresent) who had plans for weekend (but relied on them being chosen and them believing he is true) but some doubted he really existed. Not going to watch a bpg recommended review of it

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I would watch it, but I’m too busy travelling the breadth of the Roman empire, because a fictional census is telling me to return to my ancestral home. Despite the economic effects, pointlessness (Romans didn’t tend care where people were born, but loved to know where everybody was), and the loss of people returning outside of the moving borders of such a census. It’s a tough trip and my wife is pregnant after a few visits from a guy called Gabriel. I’m sure the premier inn will have space.

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billpuntonsghost wrote:

…you didn’t send the memo to Liberace,Larry Grayson,transgender people,all “gay” people,all pro-abortion people etc etc. did you?Do you need to reconsider your thesis of the point of life? You seem to be disconnected with many of the human race.

The “selfish gene” does not determine behaviour, it makes certain behaviours more likely.

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I’m not sure I believe pregnant people exist. I’ve met people who have claimed to be pregnant,but when I see them a few months later, their claim is obviously false. Even when Gabriel and Mary had a baby, when the Romans decided it would be a good idea to temporarily change their census to count where people came from rather than where they were now (despite the upheavals that would involve).

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First 18 minutes looked great, next 10 minutes all Carlisle, then it was all about the ref (unnecessary yellows to Carlisle, then…..

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National guard deployed to Bethpage, and 900% tariff applied to all European nations

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I, like many people, do not watch endless random videos. But I do tend to read your posts, so if you are going to convert me to your religion, it would be through well reasoned posts, rather than videos about fundamentalist Victorian preachers.

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People who believe in your god and the divinity of a certain Palestinian Jew are Christian, in my humble opinion, regardless of their thoughts on certain books in the Bible (which was written, selected and translated by humans, regardless of where the original story came from)

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Bpg, I don’t love or hate your god (or indeed other people’s gods), I just don’t believe it exists.

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When your core beliefs are taught from birth and instilled every Sunday, if not more regularly, it would be difficult to move against that belief. All of the successful religions include bombarding the young with adherence, and promises of great things if they are subservient. People find it difficult to break away from the beliefs that have been installed for years, so when science shows something against that belief they push against the science, and in the case of Stephen Meyer they respond with pseudoscience like intelligent design. We don’t know how the universe came to being (so can’t rule out the possibility of a creator) but we can be pretty certain that evolution exists and that we are descended from early apes (against the Christian genesis). Many Christians accept evolution, and see the biblical account as not literal.

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Gurnelista wrote:

So you believe there were talking animals. And there was a global flood, and all the species could get on the ark without flying off, or fighting or sinking it?

And what freedoms are you worried about losing, Bill? You seem very concerned, but haven’t mentioned one!

Not only find all of the species, house and feed the species, but also manage to get them to make their way to their native locations without leaving any record. Sloths and kangaroos travelling vast distances from Ararat, swimming vast oceans without leaving any bones behind

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I, like many others, will not be watching endless YouTube videos. Instead, give us the major points, and your thoughts on them. I can.probsbly guess the contents in this case, I know the phrase has something to morality without the Christian belief. But again it’s all self-referential, I’m not scared of being judged by a god I don’t believe in. In much the same way I imagine you don’t really worry about what Shiva and Inti have to say about your morality. I would like you to answer your own question “what convinced you that Jesus was god in human form ?” Was it because you were taught to believe it? Was it the continuing reaffirmation of preachers telling you every week? Was it a moment in your life? A revelation? Was it for security and forgiveness?

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One of the problems of using a holy book as evidence is that there are many religions with many holy books. Many of these holy books state there is only one true religion. If Christianity is true because the bible says so, then Sikhism must be true because the Guru Granth Sahib says so.

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If your God wants people to clearly see His existence in creation, why does he hide it? If He created a global flood, why does His created geology show only potential large floods encompassing multiple river basins around Mount Ararat? The story of Noah loses some of its magic , if the geological record is to be believed, and it was a local flood, and a family built a boat with a few chickens and goats. It’s a shame Shem didn’t record everything on his iPhone, as it would be good to see how things looked before your God invented light refraction.

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Evidence, not self-authenticated evidence from the bible, but actual evidence.

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I was talking about the gospels, not the entire book, as I said in my response. My main point is that your approach is unlikely to convert people, it is more likely to turn people away from your religion.

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billpuntonsghost wrote:

Fifty pence-No that’s not the Gospel . What is your understanding of the “Good News” message by the way?

The good news, as I understand, is the idea that believers are saved by their god sending themselves/son to be theoretically killed . Which doesn’t make much sense imho, but hey probably more sense than the idea of two sloths leaving Mount Ararat and travelling to the Americas without leaving any trace.

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billpuntonsghost wrote:

Fiftypence,what is the Gospel and “Good News” according to your understanding?

My understanding is that the gospel(s) are books in the bible that were written around 100 years after the main character in the new testament was supposedly born and have been selected by humans (amongst the various books written at a similar time) attributed to 4 guys based on oral tradition. Which have since been translated by other humans. But my comment was not on the contents of the gospels, but rather your method which puts people off your religion rather than attracts.

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Many Christians try and “spread the gospel” and promote the “good news”. Bpg, however, has his own way of putting people off the Christian faith and discourage the “good news”.

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Any recent rise in violence is likely to be related the rise of the right wing, and the dangerous rhetoric of division from trump et al. A recent study on gun deaths in the USA showed a strong correlation between states with higher church attendance and gun deaths (same with teen pregnancies). Christianity is not the problem, in my opinion, but Christian nationalism

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I’m intrigued by bpg’s comments about university campuses. I wonder what he thinks happens in them,

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“It’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment” Charlie Kirk 2023

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Meanwhile Kirk was influencing our youth to be misogynistic, intolerant and to lack empathy (a word Kirk said was a made up new age term). It’s a horrible murder that will have long lasting effects, and horrible for his family – whether he’s in heaven or not. But it doesn’t affect my views on his politics and world view.

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Another example of the problems with America’s obsession with guns, whether it’s the murder of Kirk or the murder of Hortman (by the right wing murderer) or the other thousands people killed by guns (from the left, from the right, from non religious and from Christians (and other faiths)

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I have to say I hadn’t heard the full story about Bob Vylan, only the chants, which became the headline story. I completely agree with you about actual anti-Semitism, comments about Zionists controlling music are disgraceful, and far more disturbing than the IDF chants. As a middle aged, middle class, hetrosexual white English male, I have to admit I’m sheltered from direct bigotry, and can be guilty of listening to the rhetoric from my side of politics, so it’s good to read Siderite’s comments. I have no time for baseless conspiracy theories, from either side.

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The chants at Glastonbury are not the big news, despite what the right leaning media are saying. They should not be the headlines, the actions by IDF are not just chants and far more worthy of the headlines than the acts at worthy farm. BTW before the usual claim is made, being anti-IDF and being against likud’s policies does not equate to anti-Semitism (the automatic response when anybody questions the extreme right-wing party – despite the murdering of Palestinians (Semitic people) being done by the IDF). Left leaning people (including the left leaning Israeli Jews) will always be against extreme right-wing politics, regardless of race or nationality.

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ACG for AOC

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I certainly won’t be voting for the party that gave us Boris, Truss, May et al for 14 years, or Farage/Musk’s demagoguery that fuelled the worst decisions in those 14 years by blaming foreigners while deliberately growing the distance between the top 1% and the rest of us.

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