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At some point, we are going to have to realise that just changing all the players every 6 months isn’t going to solve our problems. Where’s the coaching? When is a manager going to improve some players and get more out of them? What about the people signing the players and scouting new ones?
This endless churn just creates instability.
The coaching aspect is a good point. We’ve had players look utter dross or bang average and go on to significantly improve elsewhere. Hill/Hurst in particular are good football league managers, why could they not turn the tide?
Our failures are systemic and pass from one manager to the next and one group of players to the next. Hopefully Hilton can change the culture at the club; No mean feat.
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Beestin is under contract too; he’d be one of the first out of the door for me along with O’Malley. Those lads are conditioned to losing, along with Tom Pugh who hasn’t displayed enough for me to warrant a new deal
For the rest of the players, the first thing I’d be doing if I was Dean is getting them 1-1 and asking them why they want to stay And what they can offer. If the answers aren’t satisfactory then they’d be going on the transfer list.
This is one of the worst Scunthorpe United teams in our history and they have downed tools for a good part of this year. They have got away lightly in my opinion.
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A.F.C. Fylde going up as champions, pleased to see the back of them as they are full time and looked to have been bankrolled the last few years. Gloucester enter the play offs, replacing Scarborough who we are destined to play mid winter on a Tuesday night.
At the other end Northumbiron will be pleased to see Blyth managing to survive. Elsewhere Russ Wilcox and Andy butler have helped keep Farsley Celtic up, retaining a localish trip for iron fans Next year
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After reading that document I can’t see there being too many complaints about the pies…
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‘I’ve got my information this week which I know to be valid and suggests his intentions are in the interest of the club and there’s exciting, sensible developments ready to be implemented which will make the club sustainable and improve the experience for everyone.’
Cliff, did your source give any indication when we might get to see or hear these plans?
All rests on the sale of the land.
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The decision to move the training to Ilkeston was explained by Hilton quite clearly. It is actually a logical decision, although it should have been communicated better and perhaps made at a different time.
Hilton is also actively looking for training facilities in Scunthorpe so that conspiracy theory can be put to bed.
I’m happy to read through the information on the chairman’s background if it is going to affect our club, however it’s becoming increasingly clear that this information is threadbare and not really leading anywhere. He’s changed his name a few times and possibly operated in the grey area with his businesses in the past. That’s all that’s really come to light.
In terms of running a football club, the only thing we can really judge him on is Ilkeston. I’ve spoke to a few Ilkeston fans and their local reporter, many in here have interacted with them on social media too- nothing but positive reports and significant investments.
We are a broken and bruised fanbase who aren’t going to trust easily, unfortunately for Hilton the form on the pitch has only fuelled Paranoia and speculation. However, Some of the stuff on social media and whatever happened yesterday outside the ground is leaving a nasty taste.
If it’s true- and there’s a few suggesting it is- if I was Hilton aid cut my losses and go.
No-one should be beyond criticism but The line is crossed with personal abuse, then it’s then a whole different ball game if his family were there.
There’s information coming to light on here about questionable past business actions (nothing illegal). Nothing that really made my toe curls and certainly nothing that should prevent him investing in the club. If anyone’s got concrete evidence to counter this then post it below.
I’ve got my information this week which I know to be valid and suggests his intentions are in the interest of the club and there’s exciting, sensible developments ready to be implemented which will make the club sustainable and improve the experience for everyone.
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Carver and Elliot were a couple of the only ones who looked interested, they deserve a good crack at it next year whilst actually getting service.
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It’s the players – the only common denominator.
My biggest worry for next season is how many are still under contract.
Getting rid of contracted players isn’t easy.My worry too, Les.
The end of this season will have scarred some players.
I keep banging on about every week but we really have to sign strong characters next year, lads who are going to inspire and motivate by whatever means necessary and instil some resilience in this lot. Lads who have enough professional pride that won’t ever stand for themselves or team mates putting in effort like we have the last couple of months.
Get the spine of the team right and then your younger lads like Shrimpton and better quality players like Elliot will flourish.
Get it wrong and we will finish bottom half next year and possibly worse.
Totally gutless performance, another one to stick on a large pile over the last 5 years.
Players on there again who couldn’t be arsed- Wilson I’m looking at you. Daniel not far behind.
Shrimpton deciding that passion means kicking lumps out of the opposition.
Awful performance by him.If the back line defended any deeper they would have been on the railway line.
Management deserve stick because everything has fallen off a cliff since Notts county but you’ve got professional players on there who looked like they’d rather be anywhere else. Take some responsibility you wage stealing twats.
Thank f**k it’s over for another year
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Seems barmy that the early bird is ending this week, especially coming off the back of 6 defeats in a row.
End of May would be a suitable time. Let the dust settle on this season and see what happens with the ground.
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there has been an increase in trouble at non league clubs around the country over the last few years.
Apparently you’re getting younger lads priced out of higher placed teams going to their local clubs; mix that in with little-no police, untrained stewards and no segregation and there’s been a fair few tear ups.
Might have been Southport vs Chester this year where it kicked off and there were a few videos doing the rounds on social media.
some clubs are even banning u16’s going with an adult supervising to try and curb it.
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Chapman Foster: more than happy with Chapman as number 1 next year. Be surprised if Foster is still here come August though.
Ogle Boyce: Would like to see Richards-Everton offered a new deal, whether he accepts is a different matter. Experienced centre back is a must. O’Malley can go for me and get a new left back in.
Pugh Shrimpton Butterfield Beestin: not happy with this midfield. Confused to why Pugh has a new deal and I think Beestin is one of those who needs a fresh start. Will Butterfield drop to NLN?- I doubt it. Total revamped needed
Elliot Carver: on paper these 2 have both done well at NLN. If he persists with 4-2-3-1 then probably only 1 addition needed.
No news on Wilson, I assume that’s him gone then.
We HAVE to go get our business done early- no excuses. I imagine fitness will play a big part in this league with so many part time. Get a proper pre season in them.
Smaller squad size: using 35 players a season is a good explanation for our current woes. 24/25 is plenty- especially at this level. Use the loan market to cover injuries if necessary but not just to warehouse players.
Do the due diligence on the players: with a smaller squad we need to weed out those who are injury prone; let Hallam be a warning.
Finally, get the right characters in!! We need leaders across the pitch. Players willing to organise and manage a game themselves. Our game management has been so weak for years now.
Over to you Hilton/Dean.
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Look it’s the 3 club stooges, no doubt reverting back to type and taking swipes at fans.
Iron awe, Cliff and Awaywego, you’re an odd bunch, aren’t you ?
You’re wondering On another thread why players are thriving elsewhere, and then moaning at us for stating Scunny fans jump on players back’s to quick?
Make your mind up man.
I Thought today’s interview with Dean was actually ok. Gave us information on who is contracted and an insight into recruitment. He’s never going to articulate behind the mic but seemed more relax than before.
Keith Hill was by far the worse we’ve had. I honestly think cliche Keith was here as a side hustle, never seemed too bothered about everything imploding around him and even ditched the club’s tracksuit for his jeans and T-shirt combo.
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People use the fact we were ‘only’ 5 points from safety as an indicator we could have survived. To be 5 points away from safety that early in the season demonstrates how utterly useless we were. All we’ve continued to do is follow that same trajectory.
I can accept any criticism thrown at Dean as he hasn’t demonstrated enough he is fit for the job, but to suggest we were in any fit state to stay up- even under Nelson who managed 2 wins in 9 is ludicrous.
Regardless if it’s true or not, it’s still a ridiculous signing at this stage of the season, especially coming off the back of a 4-1 win.
Shock, horror we then send Whitehouse out on loan who is tearing it up at Chester
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We’re in deep shit regardless, wondergoals. I take your point on Dean and it’s probably looking like he’s not good enough. But our problems are systemic and run deeper than him.
Take a step back and look at the bigger picture, we are in a death spiral and have been for 5 years now. Sacking Dean at this point feels like changing the carpets when the house is on fire.
Just read on Twitter we are allegedly paying Dean Rance £1,500 a week when he’s carrying an injury. If you want to start pointing fingers at our demise then stupid shit like that will be the best place to start.
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I like Fin, but to suggest he was MOTM was laughable. To even hand out the award was laughable
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Whatever comes after anger in the grieving process, I think we’re on that one now
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Interested Bystander: good points raised. In all honesty, most of us are conveniently avoiding these questions as we all know it’s probably not going to make for a nice read. A shame we don’t have a strong local newspaper to follow up these leads anymore.
I’ve spoken with Ilkeston fans and their reviews are nothing but positive, in terms of evidence, that’s all we can really form an opinion on at the moment.
I may be wrong ( and I hope I am wrong), but I’ve got a feeling in my gut that things might go tits up when the ground completion is due.
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To quote Keith: ‘there some serious scar tissue here’
Keep:
chapman
Ogle
Richards-Everton
Shrimpton
Wilson
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