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  • in reply to: Another Top Ref #283261
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    … despite him being 2 yards from Whitehall when rhe booking incident occurred – which was not a foul by either player by the way…

    It was a heavy collision but there was absolutely nothing ‘in it’ from either of them.

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    With regard to the disallowed goal last night I just wondered what is the role of linesman these days, they are there to assist the referees but what rules do they operate under? It should have been clear from a side view that no one was near the keeper and he should have flagged to advise the ref unless he didn’t see it but he ought to have seen it or is it that the referees made a decision and that’s it.

    Maybe, then, it’s to do with the power dynamic between refs and linesmen?

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    I understand he may not have had a clear view, but any competent ref would have gone over and asked the linesman for a second opinion. All he did was blow up straight away thinking he saw something which didn’t even happen.

    That’s just not good enough.

    But if he believed something happened then why seek second opinion? What else is he supposed to do other than commit to the decision based on what he saw?

    in reply to: Another Top Ref #283246
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    To disallow that goal last night in my opinion was more than just incompetency, he saw something which didn’t even happen. It’s surely impossible for a ref to a get a decision so wrong and just chalk it down to a human error.

    Butterfield was a a few yards away from their GK when he slapped the ball into his own net !

    Just looking for the possible explanation with the least edge to it, for the sake of everyone’s sanity…

    I’d suggest that because he didn’t have a clear view (ie. sight of the keeper was obscured by Butterfield’s back), when the keeper went down seeming to have been fouled then the referee had no option other than working on the balance of probability that he had. The lino might have been able to clarify, but perhaps he didn’t have a clear view either.

    In the non-VAR leagues, who does the rule book favour in these situations?

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    in reply to: Effin and Jeffin again #283234
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    I do find it odd that a man who told a judge he couldn’t read a sign due to poor eyesight could see enough to get so angry at this, I smell perjury

    A former law student needed to rely on a notice sign to know that photo taking in court is prohibited?

    It was vanity. He was just trying to appear excitingly close to power.

    in reply to: Effin and Jeffin again #283230
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    Lot of moaning from 64 and yet he did sod all when the woman lino was abused, some folk eh.

    That’s perhaps a little bit unfair – 64 did say the abusers “swarmed”, which suggests that there were quite a lot of them. Who would tackle that?

    in reply to: Effin and Jeffin again #283226
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    There you go you heard far worse in school Deerey, why do you expect any different away from school i don’t.

    Er, because we’re not 15-16 year olds anymore? Because the people who are the worst culprits are grown men, apparently? Not rocket science. Of course I expect to hear some swearing at matches. I don’t think we need to hear it incessantly throughout the match so loud. It’s a bad influence on younger folk and children and frankly tedious and distracting. Trying to watch a match with some idiot shouting and swearing near you throughout, or coming over on the speaker, is rubbish. Don’t know what you don’t understand about the point I’m making tbh. But hey ho.

    They’re not ultimate solutions to the problems, but they might be fixes for you. Move, and turn the TV down.

    in reply to: Jimmy Jimmy! #283219
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    When they countered we had 2 or 3 players in our box, when we attacked they had 8 or 9 back because we took too long.

    This, over and over and over and over again this season.

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    in reply to: Another Top Ref #283217
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    Look at it from a different angle, would your employer be happy if you deliberately made bad decisions and what do you think he would do if you did?

    So you’d find it acceptable for your boss to fine you for mistakes because one of his customers tells him they suspect you’re making mistakes on purpose?

    in reply to: Another Top Ref #283207
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    Erm never said reply the match, although it would be nice to hear that the official has had a ticking off and maybe gets a one match ban and a fine. Kind of a bit like what happens to players when they get a red card. There are conspiracy theories flying around that the refs are against scunny in this league, surely if the refs were fined for exceptionally bad decisions then that would expel such theories as no refs would deliberately make a bad decision if it hit him in the pocket.

    Would you want to work under those conditions?

    in reply to: Effin and Jeffin again #283198
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    apparently a certain bespectacled ginner had a few choice words too

    Were they his, or did he get them from here?

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    in reply to: Effin and Jeffin again #283196
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    I don’t have a problem with swearing but endless abuse and tirades are just tedious. The local councillor was clearly audible on the stream last night, boorishly abusing the referee over & over again.

    Though not as much as our manager who got involved with someone in the crowd, abused the referee enough to get a red card, and then wasn’t big enough to answer questions from the media.

    It’s in the rules / directives that if you’ve been red carded you can’t talk to the media after the game.

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    in reply to: Another Top Ref #283195
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    “Manning up” cuts both way, we got a goal that didn’t cross the line at B Stortford and an unlikely penalty ,we only really care about others mistakes,human nature I guess?

    I agree with you that it cuts both ways.

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    Nice interview by Brad James their goalkeeper completely admitting nobody touched him and it was his mistake. Ref association needs to watch that aswell as the actually footage

    It’s all very well saying it after the fact from a match-winning position, three points safely in the bank, but what about manning up and talking to the referee in the immediate aftermath? Unlikely, I know, and it would take some guts to do it. But what a man, if you did.

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    in reply to: Another Top Ref #283180
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    It was always a very real possibility that would be the case. If we don’t get out of it we can’t be blaming the officials and other clubs pitches and supposed bias against us. Though I suspect some will.

    Fairer to say we couldn’t JUST blame those things as they have certainly contributed. But the lion’s share of responsibility for failure to get promoted will be with ourselves.

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    in reply to: Spennymoor Town FC #283177
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    …Holding a meet and greet in a Car Showroom…

    Irrelevant that it was a car showroom. The room was cleared and it was a good-sized space and shape for a really enjoyable event.

    in reply to: Jimmy Jimmy! #283176
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    I thought we were ok last night but a lot of familiar failings were on show too. Dean getting a touchline ban might be the best thing for us in the coming games.

    There was some terrific attacking play from time to time, but the tendency to make far too many passes and lose momentum around the box was certainly in evidence too. There were a couple of instances of being in a reasonable enough position to have a crack but dithering and the ball ending up going through four or five passes back to the keeper.

    in reply to: Another Top Ref #283175
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    The only answer is to escape upwards which should be achievable with the players we’ve got.

    In many ways I think this division has taken us by surprise.

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    … emailing him directly because his email address has been posted online…

    That is totally unacceptable.

    in reply to: Another Top Ref #283167
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    You are right it is 99% incompetence, by the refs and the system that runs them. The system for promoting refs isn’t working Les.

    You cannot reasonably expect a human referee to get technical decisions right 100% of the time. It’s just not possible to avoid the occasional error or even the occasional seemingly ridiculous decision. What you are entitled to reasonably expect is a high degree of competence and unbiased judgement.

    Comments from the referee a few games ago (who said that Whitehall’s game is going down and that’s why he didn’t give the penalty) were alarming. In addition, last night was a disgrace – the booking of Whitehall was a joke and the disallowed goal was a tragedy.

    All said, on the whole I don’t think the referees have been that good this season – but nor have they been that bad.

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    in reply to: Another Top Ref #283159
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    I fully accept that this is rarely deliberate – but ‘subconscious bias’ is an identifiable phenomenon.

    Exactly the same thing when Whitehall wasn’t awarded the penalty a few games ago when it was more than clear, and the referee afterwards saying that Whitehall’s game is going down easily.

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    in reply to: Play Off Final – date switch – cheers NL #283121
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    They will when they see posters using ‘on’ when ‘at’ is the correct preposition.

    Strikes me he may be a bit of a twon.

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    in reply to: Play Off Final – date switch – cheers NL #283114
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    Not really.
    “Promotion Finals in the Vanarama National League North and South will take place at the home ground of the finalist club who finished higher in the league table during the regular season.”

    Yes, thanks for pointing that out! Hands up that’s my mistake – I did not actually see that paragraph when skim reading as I hadn’t scrolled down beyond the NLN final info (and I had definitely read somewhere else that all three finals were to be played at Wembley).

    The point stands, though – switching the date just a few weeks before, after months of the info being publicly available, is a bit poor.

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    Wembley Stadium, by the way, for those who did not already know.

    in reply to: Flat #283081
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    where has the excitement
    gone? fans just seem flat

    I’d suggest this is to do with pissing away pissing the league.

    in reply to: Season Tickets #282896
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    How much more expensive did you expect Apollo11 a 50%increase in under 18s seems way over the top to me.

    I’m not under 18 so I didn’t look at the Under 18s section.

    As an adult, the Early Bird for the current season worked out at £9-something per match for the terrace, and next season will work out at £10-something. An increase of around a single pound. I was anticipating perhaps in the region of £12.50 or £13 Early Bird and then two quid more than that when the full prices kick in.

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    I’d say Hilton’s “wow price” hamstrung them somewhat, Left them with a £300 barrier to break through, had he not set his super cheap tickets so low and a bit nearer the £300 line they could ?

    Yes, pretty much what I was getting at. It’s generally accepted that there were ‘flights of fancy’ going on during David Hilton’s ownership – and I actually always thought the low season ticket price was one of them. It was too good an opportunity to miss. I’ve spent the season expecting that to be redressed when the time comes for renewal – but bearing in mind inflation and blah blah blah, it remains a very low price which can’t be doing the board too many favours. Seems odd, to me.

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    in reply to: Season Tickets #282887
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    At first glance, it looks like the board has got the balance right between cutting prices to attract fans and making sure the club still earns enough money. Well done.

    Don’t get me wrong, I still think English football is far too expensive on the whole but we have to be realistic that the club can’t put itself at a huge disadvantage by cutting prices too far.

    I’d expected them to be more expensive than they are, but they still seem a bit ‘Hilton plucked a wow price out of the air’.

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    According to Jimmy, Evans was sent off for a supposed knee in the face…

    From where I was, it was difficult to see exactly who did what, but I’m pretty sure I saw a leg flash out as someone took a kick at one of theirs in the immediate aftermath of play being stopped. To be honest I’d thought it was Whitehall so was surprised to see Evans get his marching orders.

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    in reply to: The Curious Case Of Mr Dean #282865
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    Where have I typed that I’m over excited and claiming we’ve morphed into Brazil ?. All I was commenting on is our big change up in playing style and how he look much better because of it.

    Personally, I didn’t mean that you specifically had got over-excited. I meant ‘people in general’ shouldn’t. We’re doing ok but the teams we’ve played have been rubbish.