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Deereyme66 wrote:

Steve wrote:

Looking for something on the Facebook group to complain about..

Can easily be spotted through the Scunthorpe United photographers

What exactly is meant by this post? Naming and shaming via photographs on the Facebook group?

He’s suggesting that people do not really have legitimate concerns about this issue, and that they have just been going through the Facebook group actively looking for anything to complain about. Also, that the club posts photos of the crowd and people are identifiable in those – so anyone else doing the same is fair enough (ie. ‘what’s the difference?’)…

I’d say the difference is we have all accepted that the club uses photos in this manner, and have agreed to the potential of being photographed as part of the ‘contract’ effectively signed by buying a ticket.

That’s very different to a non-employee taking photographs of sections of the crowd and posting them online. You would reasonably assume that photos a fan takes at a match and posts online would be of the football – so what is the actual purpose of this person doing this and then posting on Facebook? It could be innocent (‘a bit of fun’) though it lacks good judgement and, aside from anything else, is creepy.

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Awaywego wrote:

The BBc reported it on the 30th of Jan and in Hiltons statement on the 19th of September

I think it was during one of the audio interviews which was posted by the club and then withdrawn, he was also adamant it had been paid.

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Siderite wrote:

You’re a strange one awg. Having a go at Sharp for wanting a loan back when he had no idea he would be able to be involved with the club, but trusting that a con man was actually working well for the club.

In their own ways Swann and Hilton used Sharp’s money, Elliott used the kudos.

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Awaywego wrote:

The timescale for clearing the debt with the HMRC is 3/6 months and not forgetting Swanny already had a time to pay agreement in place with the HRMC for £192,000 at the time Hilton took over so your saying the HMRC then gave Hilton a further time to pay agreement and was able to rack up another say £250,000 over the next 7 months. Really

In the early days of his tenure Hilton said he had completely cleared the HMRC debt – but a couple of months later he said it had actually been an agreement to pay in instalments. He must have paid the first to release any legal action imminent at that time – but it’s possible he then didn’t pay any of the other instalments, and continued to accrue a second HMRC debt for non-payment due for ongoing operations.

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CMC wrote:

Apollo11 wrote:

Unfortunately with Some in the club i don’t see that changing anytime soon.

Not disagreeing with you, just wondering what you mean by that?

Don’t know if you delve into social media Apollo but some of the parasites are on there thanking the 3 SUFC officials often enough.

Parasites?

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Unfortunately with Some in the club i don’t see that changing anytime soon.

Not disagreeing with you, just wondering what you mean by that?

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Rene Artois wrote:

It’s a pity the other 95% couldn’t be arsed to do their homework on his background – if they had, then like us, they’d have known he was a ‘wrong un’ much earlier and we’d have cleared him off a lot sooner.

We now need Guinevere and her Knights of the Round Table to get us running on an even keel with creditors paid off, wages paid on time, any outstanding wages to former players/employees settled, pensions and NI payments updated and paid on time, redundancy payments made, CCJs fulfilled, HMRC paid etc.
Only then will normality have been restored.
I’d rather support a debt free and honourable but poor performing team in the NLN than a morally & financially bankrupt team in L1 or L2 bending & breaking the rules and the law.

Based on those exact terms, ‘normality’ is a several years project if it is even achievable at all. Good luck to all concerned – running a club is hard enough financially without having to wipe Hilton’s arse into the bargain.

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That is to say, someone on the current Board of Directors backed Hilton and insulted fans who dared to question him – and has failed to address that mistake or apologise since the takeover.

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It didn’t stop some backing him to the hilt, with added insults and threats, some on this board..

… and someone on the actual Board.

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Steve wrote:

Looking for something on the Facebook group to complain about..

Can easily be spotted through the Scunthorpe United photographers

Eh?

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Iron-awe wrote:

Well Butterfield almost walked one in second half on Saturday after a brilliant run beating several players on the way but ultimately the box was that congested he just ran out of room to get a decent shot in.

Yes, that was quite a moment – and just a tad unfortunate that Butterfield messed the shot up. It brought to mind a brilliant goal scored in that exact fashion, at that same end of GP about thirty years ago. Neil Gregory (if you remember him?).

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Apollo11 wrote:

As I’ve said on here before, I think it’s great to watch United coming out from the back and passing the opposition off the park – I’m not sure we’ve had a side as good at it as this lot. But there is definitely something lacking up front in the current system.

I’d love to see a really strong striker at the business end of this team (Flounders, Daws, Eyre, Forrester, Sharp, Hooper) as I think this would help with decision making in and around the box. I wouldn’t say anyone in the current side is shirking responsibility and they’re all working – but perhaps overworking moves.

There seems to be a problem with just giving it a crack.

I should add: Obviously United have scored a few goals from distance this season, but in general it seems to me that things are often overworked in and around the box.

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As I’ve said on here before, I think it’s great to watch United coming out from the back and passing the opposition off the park – I’m not sure we’ve had a side as good at it as this lot. But there is definitely something lacking up front in the current system.

I’d love to see a really strong striker at the business end of this team (Flounders, Daws, Eyre, Forrester, Sharp, Hooper) as I think this would help with decision making in and around the box. I wouldn’t say anyone in the current side is shirking responsibility and they’re all working – but perhaps overworking moves.

There seems to be a problem with just giving it a crack.

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I seldom bother having a look on the Facebook group – but I just did. It’s so galling to see Herbert on a charm offensive after months of being the abuser-in-chief.

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CMC wrote:

Hull City have banned one of their fans doing vlogs, but they’re a more professional operation than we are right now.

Perhaps more to do with questionable tone and content rather than the actual doing of a vlog?

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Iron-awe wrote:

Fair enough Apollo 11, LBH, Whitehall is a pale shadow of Steve Torpey in the role he is playing for us this season, no comparison whatsoever, he is not a good target man type player and needs to be part of a pair up top to be effective enough IMO.

I do like Whitehall, but I completely agree with you. I would like to see him in a partnership with some short-arsed terrier who scores 15 to 20 goals per season.

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It’s common sense. There’s a clear line being crossed and I am sure the club (or whoever should do so) will address it.

Do I want to go inside the ground and take photos and videos of the match or of my mates and perhaps put some of them online on my socials? Of course I do, yes.

Do I want to go inside the ground and take photos of people who are unaware that they are being photographed, and then publish them online in a publicly accessible group? No, of course not.

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Iron-awe wrote:

Where does all that leave people like Gareth who does a great job with Iron Army, has he an appropriate licence?, I presume he has the club’s permission to film inside and around the ground but there are loads of you tube vlogs for a huge amount of football clubs run every week in this country, where do they all stand legally?

I imagine that most clubs, SUFC included, turn something of a blind eye to this stuff – the rules around equipment, and the fact that their supporters take photos, videos, whatever (ie. it’s the nature of modern life). However, in the case of these crowd photos I suspect they’ll draw a line and ask the person taking and publishing them to stop because they are intrusive.

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premier iron wrote:

If Carver and Bennett are doing so well at Southport then why aren’t they with us.Those two have got to be better than Whitehall (who is a joke) and Elliott

I suspect that, just like Torpey, Whitehall “does things you can’t see”…

Torpey was in the centre backs face constantly and held the ball up by being strong and aggressive, Whitehall is none of those things IMO.

I wasn’t really comparing him to Torpey.

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Aside from anything else, that means that no-one unlicensed to photograph, film or broadcast audio from the game is actually allowed to bring in a mobile phone.

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64 wrote:

…Hilton’s scheme was misleading from the beginning… …This is much simpler…

In other words… Then: Ponzi. Now: Prizes.

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sufc_not_on_tour wrote:

Quick search brings up this.
“ If you took the photo, you usually own it. But, if you didn’t take the photo but you are in it, someone could breach your rights (such as data protection or privacy rights) by posting it.”
I’ll bring it up at GP.

Whatever the legalities, it’s highly intrusive (as well as being a bit odd). Most people, I suspect, would accept that the club has the right to publish their own images – as long as they have all photography waiver notices for crowd events displayed around the ground or printed on tickets (or whatever legal stuff they need to fulfil). But a private individual taking this type of photo and publishing feels like a different thing – a little bit unsettling. The privacy issue: If I had children published in an image in this fashion I would not be happy.

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premier iron wrote:

If Carver and Bennett are doing so well at Southport then why aren’t they with us.Those two have got to be better than Whitehall (who is a joke) and Elliott

I suspect that, just like Torpey, Whitehall “does things you can’t see”…

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sufc_not_on_tour wrote:

Deereyme66 wrote:

I Notice that supporter with the camera and long lens is still posting tons of intrusive shots of supporters in stands. His mates seem to like it but does everyone else like their dopey fizzogs plastered all over Facebook? What if you’d skived off work to go to the match and your boss sees a pic of you at GP? Does he have permission to snap fans and post them on the internet from GP officials?

Good point, I’m not sure what the legal standpoint would be with this, I’ll bring it up at the club.
I personally think he shouldn’t be doing it.

He should not.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

Not looked on there for a while. Notice that supporter with the camera and long lens is still posting tons of intrusive shots of supporters in stands. His mates seem to like it but does everyone else like their dopey fizzogs plastered all over Facebook? What if you’d skived off work to go to the match and your boss sees a pic of you at GP? Does he have permission to snap fans and post them on the internet from GP officials?

I can just about accept it if it’s the club doing it as it’s a marketing exercise, but I don’t like the publishing crowd photography on the internet thing at all. If a private individual not in the employ of the club is taking and then posting photographs in a Facebook group – which seem to be taken from long distance – then yes, you are right. It is intrusive and even creepy – and I suspect there are legal issues around doing so.

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cassidystash wrote:

… we gave the ball away too often with wayward (simple) passes.

Kouogun playing their striker in was something to behold…

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CMC wrote:

Anyone who reads that group seen the long post from Paul Spry?

Dear oh dear how wrong can you be?

What does he say?

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It’s can be attractive to watch when we’re making 20 to 30 passes out from the back (and sideways), messing with the opposition’s shape and pulling it about to create holes. But the effort becomes pointless when we get into a shooting position and then just pass it sideways again with, often, less chance of scoring or the move completely breaking down. That’s when, for me, patience with Jimmy Dean’s style wears really thin. Being a little more direct up front wouldn’t go amiss.

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we will get stuck in this division for a while.

Agreed. It’s a ‘now or never’ / one shot only kind of a deal.

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Yes, Simon loves the attention..

I think it’s probably more accurate to say he loves the adulation, which this is not.

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