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  • in reply to: Club accounts. #301408
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    Does the club 1899 money come into this ? SUFC are effectively losing season ticket money and profit on club shop items to repay those who bought into that (was going to phrase that very differently but don’t want to cause work for the moderators).

    Did you rephrase because you’d originally had a go at those who naively bought into the scheme, or at the person who cynically implemented it? Know your enemy.

    in reply to: Club accounts. #301406
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    It’s great in theory the model we are working towards, but I suspect we will hit the ceiling pretty quickly.

    As I’ve said elsewhere in the past, as supporters we almost certainly have to face the fact that we’re operating at (or about at) the right level for a club of our size and means. Even then it’s a continuing financial struggle, though much of our issue is legacy debt and black holes in the accounts.

    in reply to: Bad debt 250K – see it now? #301404
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    Perhaps a better way to say it would be “cash monies due to the Club, and which the Club could reasonably have expected to receive, but did not”…

    in reply to: Bad debt 250K – see it now? #301402
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    Bad debt on a balance sheet would almost certainly be relating to money we are owed that we now no longer think is retrievable. So, who owes us £250k?

    Just the use of the words “money we are owed” infers that there was likely to have been some sort of formal loan or repayment agreement. To further walk on eggshells around the elephant in the room, I very strongly suspect that not to be the case.

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    in reply to: Club accounts. #301398
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    9 full time staff on the non playing side at the club, the vast majority of them doing more than one task, all of them work incredibly hard and it’s unacceptable that some on here choose to question their commitment or the standard of their work.
    Michelle Harness who has been working morning till night up to 7 days a week for over a year to ensure there’s a club for the town to support ably backed by those 9 staff, I’m baffled as to why some on here choose to question it.

    Lack of awareness of the nitty gritty (what it takes day by day, role by role, task by task) to keep the Club rolling?

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    in reply to: Club accounts. #301395
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    SUFC is over staffed in some areas mentioned bearing in mind we are in the NLN ..

    We don’t know the actual duties and workload, do we – so how can you say that with certainty? Wasn’t it previously mentioned that James Moody was, effectively, doing the jobs of two or three people during the Hilton era? That’s not sustainable in itself – nothing would be given the time it demands or be done with the expertise it requires.

    Obviously cant say it for absolute certainty sure .. more so its IMO its over staffed in some areas for a NL club.

    Yes Off loaded LT and running with a small squad (well balanced with cover so kudos there) but always seems to be money for non playing staff inc the new CEO who as yet has been pretty nondescript.

    I’m not arguing the merits or otherwise of Roberts himself – but there was a point at which Michelle made it clear she could not continue working the hours she was working, nor on the sheer volume of tasks, micro-tasks, decisions, considerations and outreach ‘on her desk’.

    in reply to: Club accounts. #301392
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    Size of operation is a factor. The club is averaging attendances over 4,000, majority home fans, which is a lot more than in the later EFL days. A number of staff part time too.

    … plus some volunteering.

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    in reply to: Club accounts. #301389
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    SUFC is over staffed in some areas mentioned bearing in mind we are in the NLN ..

    We don’t know the actual duties and workload, do we – so how can you say that with certainty? Wasn’t it previously mentioned that James Moody was, effectively, doing the jobs of two or three people during the Hilton era? That’s not sustainable in itself – nothing would be given the time it demands or be done with the expertise it requires.

    in reply to: Club accounts. #301383
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    Sustainability isn’t a reality in football.

    You may be right – but if a Club is thinking and working in that direction that’s got to be much better than if it’s operating carelessly or owners are being wilfully extravagant.

    in reply to: Cancel that 3 dayer #301379
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    No licence no event – https://x.com/iainsander18766/status/1906779259508543850?s=46

    Zanetti is not reflecting well on our Club is he? First the Chester half-time embarrassment and now this.

    in reply to: Bad debt 250K – see it now? #301355
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    Kieran Maguire on Humberside
    Club written off 250k from one person that owed the club money. Half the yearly losses.

    … and a carefully worded half of the story.

    in reply to: Bad debt 250K – see it now? #301339
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    Bad debt is a fairly vague term

    Isn’t ‘bad debt’ also sometimes used as the accounting term for inexplicably absent money?

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    in reply to: Bad debt 250K – see it now? #301338
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    Burner accounts have fired up…

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    in reply to: Bad debt 250K – see it now? #301337
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    Bad debt is a fairly vague term

    Trying to make it clear without saying it explicitly, imho

    in reply to: Club accounts. #301324
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    in reply to: Iron Eid party #301298
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    Maybe when the club is losing £65k a month the club shouldn’t be spending money on Easter eggs to hand out before Saturdays game.

    Perhaps these eggs were donated? Maybe that’s a small way that a local newsagent (or whoever) decided to contribute to the Club this week.

    in reply to: Club accounts. #301290
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    … There was understandable vitriol near the end of his tenure after he stopped paying wages and tried to move us to Gainsborough. Everything before that was justified criticisms and concerns.

    Completely agree with this.

    in reply to: £20 to listen to paint drying #301283
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    There were people at the ground on Saturday handing out flyers for other ‘talk nights’ coming up down at Glanford Park. I think ‘Anfield Legends’ was one, and Andy Cole was the other. Like the motorbike nights, these things are not to everyone’s tastes – but why should they be? Why would every event put on have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? Why, if it’s not to your particular taste, slag it off? As long as the Club makes money on these things then that’s fair enough.

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    in reply to: Club accounts. #301281
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    Do we think the accounts will actually surface today? If there’s anything contentious in there, and bearing in mind last week’s drama, won’t the tactic be to wait until after season’s end? There’ll be a small financial hit for late filing – £375 for between a month and three months late, etc…

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    in reply to: Gareth, Stuart and Jerry, your time is nigh #301151
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    I think the Board members are probably quite surprised that goodwill appears to have dropped off a cliff, and that the party line is being questioned. Their request for some ‘fan reps’ suggests to me that, partly, they’ve thrown their hands up in the air in frustration this week at their plan being impeded. It’s feels a bit like desperation, like they’re saying “Right, if you know how it shouldn’t be done, give us YOUR ideas on how it should, then!”

    They should be talking to the Trust.

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    in reply to: Smoking Ban #301140
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    Just like Scunny’s version of the MAGA Crowd storming the White House

    MUGA

    in reply to: Gareth, Stuart and Jerry, your time is nigh #301095
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    We’re making a mistake limiting it to three people too.

    I suppose a line has to be drawn somewhere.

    in reply to: CEO #301094
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    Also gone through two hospitality managers and now outsourced to Henry’s, Smoking Goat, Brad’s and the Little Cake Company – the last two replacing goatboy. Get a grip Iron

    To be fair to them, they are trying to.

    in reply to: Gareth, Stuart and Jerry, your time is nigh #301089
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    It shouldn’t be rushed. Get the process right and the right people, and it could be a huge positive. Rush it or make it a popularity contest, and it’ll go the same way everything else like this goes.

    Have to agree with this. It absolutely has to be done properly, with the right people. As much as we trust Michelle and co, this should not be allowed to dissolve into some cosy cuppa and biscuits half-hearted gesture on the Club’s part nor some yes-man nothingness and nonsense from the supporters.

    That’s why it should definitely go through the Trust, and why everyone who can join should join. The supporters should unionise, in other words.

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    in reply to: Southport #301072
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    I agree. As I said elsewhere I think he’s probably already played his last game for United.

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    in reply to: Trust in the Trust #300988
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    I don’t think the club has trust in the Trust – otherwise why go for this latest, hastily put together, Chat GPT-generated gimmick.

    Certainly looks like there’s not enough respect been shown, here. Surely the Iron Trust should automatically have a seat at the table (regardless of any other fan-engagement drive by the Club)? The Trust is the only serious fan-led organisation, and also a shareholder – and actively working towards acquiring more. The organisation should have a part to play in how United develops and is owned and run in the future.

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    in reply to: Trust in the Trust #300979
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    I’d rather have a stable club than one that overshoots and folds.

    As I’ve said before, on another thread somewhere lost in time, there’s a case here that can be argued: Everyone involved is currently in the denial stage during the process of accepting we’re playing at our proper level (this division and the one above).

    in reply to: Gareth, Stuart and Jerry, your time is nigh #300962
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    Why

    Why not?

    in reply to: Gareth, Stuart and Jerry, your time is nigh #300926
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    I’d tend to agree with that.

    in reply to: IRONY in HARMONY, UNITY GOONS #300923
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    A bit of “you started it” then? That takes me back a good few years

    There’s definitely that but there’s also a sort of wilful prejudice – it’s convenient to blame Bru and those who sail on her for the ill feels around United. However, Iron Hour get a free pass for Hilton and 100Kgate. It beggars belief, really.