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Difficult to answer as there have been some really special players pass through the Club, that don’t even register on the personal ‘hero’ list.

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Reading through this thread again and – again – I’m led to one ultimate question. Exactly what does Hilton want with a football club? I don’t buy this local hero / doing it for legacy bullshit.

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cassidystash wrote:

Public criticism/slating of players seldom has positive results in my experience.

I seem to think some on here have called for it from Butler this season, having been completely unable to understand the man management skills of deflection and not singling people out, to demonstrate loyalty and protect morale.

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Iron-awe wrote:

…to publicly slate his own players afterwards which came hot on the heels of his similar take after the Southport defeat, well I think he has only himself to blame

In the report I read, I didn’t think there was actually anything wrong in what Brown said. Nor was he unreasonable in his appraisal of where the team messed up, and he wasn’t personal about any individual player or vindictive to any individual player.

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64 wrote:

I’m really worried about who they want to attract to the club,I don’t want the kind of person who’s impressed by Nare Knuckle boxers anywhere near me or the club

I don’t remember reading that attendance is compulsory, nobody is forcing you to go!

Begging for a Hospitality ticket now are we?

The hospitality suites are going to look like one of those paint powder runs.

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64 wrote:

In all this we know for a fact there is one proven liar

Aye and doesn’t Awaywego love him, mind you it suits his agenda so it’s no surprise.

Has he got an agenda or does he just like being objectionable, and does he enjoy going fishing?

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Best role was the arse-end of union-era Bobby Grant.

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If only.

You in the know?

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Artell seems a decent enough bloke to me and I quite like hearing him on the radio, but he really does have the air of only being a reasonable makeshift until Mr Success is appointed and properly kickstarts things. Don’t know whether any Grimsby fans reading this would agree?

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ironlion82 wrote:

This Stadium weekender as I understood it is costing the Club nothing to put on and they benefit from any profits.
Let’s hope it’s a better event than the last one in the 1960s which was as I remember a bit of a disaster and had a lot of the top bands of that era.

I hope the Stadium Weekend is a success, and so I understand the need to promote it in whatever ways possible. Zanetti seems to be a bit of a clown but at least he’s trying to make his event count, and I suppose we have to be patient with the nonsense. But playing loud dance music during the match itself was a step too far, and there wasn’t anyone sitting around me that appreciated it.

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MK Iron wrote:

More a lack of a plan or perhaps lack of belief in the plan.

Or maybe a lack of understanding of the plan?

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64 wrote:

What an odd response as I don’t claim to being forced to attend anything ,merely worried about a Knuckle Head United image.

I think he means to the Stadium Weekender – or, as I heard someone on Saturday describe it, the Z-Fest.

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Cautious, tentative and lethargic are how I would describe many of our away performances this season.

I’d never say we looked lazy, away from home. We tended to look either slightly shell-shocked from the off, for some reason, or like we were just aimlessly going through the motions.

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64 wrote:

I’m really worried about who they want to attract to the club,I don’t want the kind of person who’s impressed by Nare Knuckle boxers anywhere near me or the club

Gunthorpe United

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WonderGoals wrote:

Butler’s done well, but let’s not forget the fact his mind blowing obsession with that 5 at the back garbage had basically cost us the league title.

The games we’ve lost or drawn cost us the league title – and not many of them, at that. Fine margins etc.

How many points did we drop when not playing five at the back?

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Awaywego wrote:

Not a phrase Deerey its a song by The Smiths, my sons associating it to the love of scunny and what it means to him and many more, great song and sometimes sung at games especially if it comes over the tannoy.

I’ve seen that flag, it’s a good one.

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cassidystash wrote:

WonderGoals wrote:

That massive slump we had when Butler was stuck on play 5 at the back is the main reason. How many points did we drop in that period ?

3 successive 1-0 away defeats when playing a back 4 didn’t help. Maybe a back 5 would have given us a couple of draws?

I applaud the attempt to bring some balance to the tactical discussion. Either way, though, and as I’ve said before, we are where are – in with a very good shout. Demanding we should have pissed the league absolutely smacks of entitlement in a division that everyone can see has been harder than anticipated, with plenty of sides fighting and toughing things out.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

I reckon something like this design listing promotion sides of 1999, 2007 and 2009 could sell well (claret shirt, blue text).

Or this sort of thing…

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wotnowbrncow wrote:

I might be remembering incorrectly but around the time of Butler’s contract extension Michelle gave an interview where she said that the club was protected by some significant clauses relating to promotion.
I took that to mean that if we didn’t go up then we could part ways with the manager without or at least without much of, a payoff.
I may have dreamt it, I may have misinterpreted it, but it could be that there’s a lot riding on the playoffs for Andy in particular.

I doubt that the contract would (effectively) fuck Butler over if we fail to get promotion, but there will be a level of financial protection for the Club in there.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

I’d definitely buy a ‘Look at the noise!’ t-shirt

Like all ‘quote’ t-shirts it’d be really important to get it absolutely right, or the idea falls somewhat flat. I’m pretty sure (having watched my tape of Wembley ’99 loads of times, though it’s now lost to time) that Mr Laws said “Just look at that noise”. Happy to stand corrected if someone else has the footage and wants to double-check.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

A badge like design that captures an old sponsor like Pleasure Island / Brikenden / Scunthorpe EZ etc that means something only to Iron supporters (i.e makes other fans inquisitive). Bit like this but not as ugly (.e. not a small shirt!)

Scunthorpe 1996 Tee

That’s rubbish but the Subbuteo style one is great.

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Technically I think he must indeed have been ‘relieved of his duties’, as he’d signed a contract extension hadn’t he? But he certainly wasn’t sacked for failing to get promoted.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

Don’t mind a couple of designs but wouldn’t buy any myself. That said, proof will be in the sales I guess. Something more tasteful to me might sink like a stone!

You’re right. One man’s absolute tat is another man’s should know better.

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Just trying to make the point that no clubs that mainly rely on local catchment support has demonstrated they can make money from quality merchandise.

How do you know?

Would be delighted and suitably apologetic if someone proves me wrong.

If people are going to just buy stuff anyway (which they clearly are), why not make it good in the first place? Why not aim a bit higher, get a proper aesthetic vibe going rather than this low level hum.

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64 wrote:

“JD was relieved of his duties for failing to get promoted”
Nobody ever said that,he was released because he wanted too big a budget wasn’t he?

I’m fairly certain there was an interview with Michelle early in the season in which she said Dean had done a presentation to the board but “it was clear we were on different pages” and they parted ways. I’d guess that was around budget.

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Just trying to make the point that no clubs that mainly rely on local catchment support has demonstrated they can make money from quality merchandise.

How do you know?

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MK Iron wrote:

Are there any examples of a lower league or non league club selling tasteful or stylish merchandise? Not seen any myself.

Does that mean we should just willingly walk into the tat trap?

Want to see: Paul Weller.
Actually seeing: Timmy Mallet.

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cassidystash wrote:

Quality of merchandise aside, I don’t think many were happy with the treatment Merch Labs received after their previous terrific support.

Completely agree. Shoddy.

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