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October 5, 2021 at 12:19 am in reply to: Harrogate away, time to show our fury as supporters? #214824
Mostly the Swann’s fault but that doesn’t mean Cox and co should get an easy ride, they’re all clueless and should be shown the door.
Cox wasn’t here and we saw Lillis efforts which were even worse then what Cox serves up and that what Cox serves up is bad enough.
Both have to carry some blame because the pair of them aren’t fit to be in those positions. Cox certainly not.
I do feel sorry for Cox in a sense because he’s inexperienced and was brought in to work with lesser players but that still doesn’t change the fact he should be getting a lot more out of them. Throw in the fact that he appears to be a poor man manager and woeful tactician.
Most of the flak should be slung at Swann but Cox is nowhere near good enough as well, anybody with a brain and eyes knows that.
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October 4, 2021 at 8:10 pm in reply to: Harrogate away, time to show our fury as supporters? #214802Any protest against the current regime should be done at home, with a sit down protest on the pitch. Get everyone on board, men women and children
Don’t talk so bloody stupid. All that will result in is giving Swann ammunition to say how bad/unreasonable the fans are.
Also the club will be hit and sanctions and a number of fans will end up being arrested. That won’t be of benefit to anybody.
I say get a large amount of us singing Swann out, make it as loud as possible and as often as possible and make it crystal clear he’s not wanted and just persist with it.
I’d much rather do that than do anything daft.
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Telling you, he’s in deep denial. Blaming fans for not supporting their club and yet seemingly has no real idea it’s his actions and the crap football which are to blame.
Every fan around the ground could be armed with megaphones chanting Swann out and I’m still not entirely sure it would sink in.
Absolutely unbelievable.
Swann has treat us like shit. I remember fans wanting a say and having a space on the board to have any sort of input and all he said was “until you put money into the club like I have you won’t be getting a seat at the table”
Something along those lines. I remember him bloody saying it or at least something to that effect.
I also remember fans forums and Swann stopping Matt from reporting on it live to include all of us, instead even closed that off.
Now all of a sudden he needs revenue and we’re getting ” it’s your club ” most of the time all I heard was “our club” meaning the Swanns.
You can’t treat us like that and expect us to just forgive and forget.
Don’t even get me started with him running the club in a reckless manner, mounting up 12 million debt and then signing off our ground and land “only 2 sailable assets ” to his own company to cover his own clueless/stupid spending.
I don’t believe he’ll put this club up for sale either for the good of the club, he’ll dig his heels in now, no matter what comes his way.
This guy….words fail me
You hear what you want to hear
Then you go on to gleam from the interview that Cox’s job is in danger lol. Not in immediate danger though is it, as it should be !
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Maybe passing it off as being out of spite was a bit strong, that I’ll take back but nevertheless giving it 20 games to then change manager when we’ll be more than likely cast adrift off the bottom is far too late.
Waiting that long is utter lunacy.
How can he not know that it’s him and the quality of football keeping fans away from the club ?. Swann sounds like he’s still blaming us fans for not turning up…spending money and backing the club.
Unbelievable.
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Alexander was then sacked by Fleetwood, wasn’t he ?. Swann kept signing these managers…he’s to blame.
I see he’s on sports talk tonight from 6pm. Fans needs to ring up and let him know just what he’s doing to the club because he’s either playing dumb or he’s in denial, either way we need to hammer it home.
Ring in and just let him know what he’s doing.
October 4, 2021 at 1:42 pm in reply to: Harrogate away, time to show our fury as supporters? #214744As iron awe stated, just sing Swann out loud and often enough…..believe me, it will sink in. All it will take is a bit of patience.
That needs to be done because after yesterday’s interview he’s somewhat in denial.
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Swannster has come out of hiding and is due to be on the podcast live from 5pm today.
This should be interesting.
Get ready for covid being to blame for everything and that he’s backing Cox till the end.
There’s no way he’s sacking Cox, if he had any intention to sack him, then he wouldn’t have agreed to go on the podcast today as he just would have sacked him behind closed doors.
My crystal ball was on point.
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I’m sure he outlined another 5 matches but let’s face it, what the hell is he going to do in another 5 matches which he hasn’t done in the last 50 odd ?
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Scunthorpe team so lacking in direction….no structure, no patterns of play and very little cohesion.
We do the same all the time. Huff and puff, run around a lot without usually creating much, come out second half and play half as good as we played the 1st half and let in 2 or 3 goals due to slack marking and positional play.
Honestly, it’s like groundhog day. Cox clearly can’t get through which he wants to the players and he’s had 2 squads to get his point across and for the most part has failed on both occasions.
Cox told the players 2nd half against Newport to pass through midfield and build the play and he said they just kept playing it long so he’s telling them and they’re clearly not listening so clearly they’ve lost faith in him.
As I said above, this has happened to 2 squads of players now and he’s the common denominator. I can’t understand Swann giving him another 5 games, I’d get shut now and move on.
When Swann said he thinks we could/should have had 7 more points I nearly turned it off. Seriously, what the hell is this bloke on about ?
What’s he been doing ?…anything Scunthorpe United related, I’m pretty sure he’s been wearing earplugs and covering his eyes because to think that….Jesus Christ.
That’s denial at it’s finest. I shouldn’t really be too surprised though thinking about it, as this is the bloke who fancied himself as a footballing man along with other plonkers and signed Turan and Jarvis to 2yr contracts despite there being no manager at the club.
Have you seen Turan’s record ?. I doubt Stevie Wonder would have sanctioned that transfer lol
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I don’t think like Oyston he’s staying out of spite WG. More to it than that I reckon.
Not doubt there is. I’m saying this mirrors that situation at Blackpool. This will get volatile down the line, people are already sick of his shite now.
I have an idea why he’ll stay around. I have a slight suspicion, if the club does get wound up then he’s got what, roughly 20-25 million pounds worth of assets for around 12 million “the debt that was written off in exchange”
Imagine all that land that he’ll be able to build on ?
I’m not by any means saying that’s what his end game is but it’s looking like that’s a distinct possibility.
I’ll say again I’m not saying this is what he’s up to, I’m merely saying this is a very real possibility.
I can’t shake the feeling that we’re all going to be in for quite the shock in the next few years.
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Hippolyte is one of the worst players ever to have put on a Scunny shirt
You obviously haven’t seen the likes of Tomi Ameobi and Andy Parton back in the day then. Matt Bailey is still the worst player I’ve seen to this date.
Look, Hippolyte isn’t great and I’ve never really rated him. I said he was good in CM in comparison to how he’s been out wide. I have never once said he’s somebody you can hang your hat on.
Hippolyte was starting to look half decent in central midfield with Pugh. Those two played pretty well and coincided with us looking like we were starting to turn a corner. I never once said Hippolyte was a footballing genius or the next coming of Ruud Gullit.
So, let’s calm it down a bit here. I’ve said he was crap from day one but he was starting to look decent in cm. Put it this way, at least he was contributing.
Pugh should be back in. I keep saying it, play 442 for fuck sake. No Beestin on the left wing, stick O’Malley there and Bring Wilson in.
All these square pegs in round holes and ultra defensive line ups are driving me fecking nuts. Hackney can piss off but Wood can stay around, still think he has something.
Play with some width for crying out loud. Cox better pull it together pretty sharpish or he’ll get jeered if he doesn’t watch it.
If he had anything about him he’d accept he’s not up to it and walk away like somebody else said yesterday.
All he’s doing now is prolonging the inevitable.
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Sounded somewhat puzzled as to why fans aren’t turning up. This bloke is living in cloud cuckoo land.
Brought covid up about a dozen times and is willing to give Cox another 5 games. I head him say “we look to pick up wins in the next 5 games” something along those lines.
Somebody needs to tell him to just put the club up for sale, it’s ok saying he doesn’t think anybody is out there but if he’s not willing to put it on the market, how the hell does he know ?
My heart sank when he said ” I’ll go when I decide I want to move on ” In other words, I’m not putting the club up and You’re stuck with me Until I want to go ”
This situation is exactly like Karl Oyston at Blackpool, everybody wanted him gone but he stayed out of spite and only went when he was forced to leave .
Swann thinks we’re not that bad as a team and that we could have easily have had another 7 points.
Whatever he’s had, I want. God almighty.
I’ve heard some shite in my time and that’s right up there.
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first non league club selling prawn crackers
Trendsetters ? lol
Hippolyte looked good in CM
I would say looked good is stretching it!
This is in comparison to his efforts out wide. I actually though him and Pugh were starting to have a good understanding in CM but Cox ripped it all up.
I quite like Hippolyte there personally. I’d much rather he played there than out wide.
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When commenting about Mark Lillis, what input is he allowed ?
You saw the effort he put forward when Cox was away on passionate leave. That was the most baffling game I’ve seen. I’d even stretch and say it was bizarre, nothing made a blind bit of sense.
If that’s what Lillis puts forward under his own volition, I’d hate to know what he’s up to with Cox when both are here.
Jesus Christ !
Add in the two last minute loan signings in midfield positions we didn’t need to strengthen
We needed one CM at the time because Perry was injured as well as Kenyon who’s picked up yet another injury. Wood would have been ok but we didn’t need Hackney as well.
I’d much rather we signed a LW or a mobile, nippy striker.
All Cox has ended up doing is freezing Pugh out and even Hippolyte who’s looked dreadful outwide played his best football in CM and he fecked all that up. Torn that up and started fresh when we looked like we were starting to turn a corner.
Wilson has been shockingly ignored. As I’ve said many times before, Cox and Lillis both need to take a run and jump. I know Cox has been through a tough time of it but he needs to admit he’s just not up to it and walk away, same with Lillis.
Lillis was dragged out of a care home and he’d been out of football for I don’t know how long. Cox i would say is worse than Wilcox.
Wilcox was boring as hell and was ultra defensive but the team for the most part could defend and least had some kind of shape and organization. Cox hasn’t even drilled that side of the game into them, they’re all over the place.
This is 2 near different squads he’s had now and he’s failed to get his points across to both. Bad management.
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I still think with a clued up, able manager we’ll be a lot more steady. This team has no structure whatsoever.
This team has no identity, it’s listless. That I put down to Cox, as somebody said on twitter earlier.
What the hell does Cox , Lillis and the other coaches do with the players in training ?
I can’t even see what they’re being set up to do, they look absolutely clueless.
As a bare minimum a half decent manager is supposed to apply some structure to their team and I can’t even see any in ours.
Honestly, he really needs to go. We need an experienced head here. I know they don’t grow on tree’s but we need somebody to improve us quickly.
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Cox hasn’t had any idea now for months. It become apparent a month into the season that he had no idea what he was doing.
Cox said post match ” I was telling them to pass through midfield to create chances but they “the players” just kept hitting it long.
He’s the manager for crying out loud, if he’s telling them to do something and they aren’t doing it, surely that’s down to him as a manager not having the man management skills to be able to get his point across.
Cox can’t use the excuse that he was a squad full of trouble makers because it’s near enough a new squad.
I wonder whether that’s why players were taking the piss last season because they were bored and frustrated about Cox’s lack of leadership and probably inability at man managing the players properly.
It does make you wonder because it’s the same as last season but with a whole new squad. This can’t possibly be another squad of players fault….this will be down to Cox and Lillis.
Experienced manager in and get rid of Lillis too.
Regarding Hurst’s departure, Swann moved the goalposts in terms of players coming in, he spoke up to Swann and was sacked. Hurst at the time was getting a song out of Gillead, Eisa and McAtee at the time.
I’d go with Ronnie Moore. Swann will have to pay him in sexual favours seen as monies thin on the ground.
For all you posters who people read this and become sexually aroused, sort yourselves out…it was a joke !
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Wilson is just 1 example of yet another promising youngster overlooked
We should definitely be making more of our youth team but at the same time it says a lot about where we are that a completely unproven teenager is our big hope at the moment.
I would say big hope is stretching it but he looked really promising in pre season in which he was direct and had that bit of ability to past players but been frozen out.
All the most weird when we’re struggling for quality wide players. I also think it’s odd why O’Malley isn’t being used on the left wing with Thompson LB.
Surely he would be better there than playing our best CM in Beestin out there ?
All a bit odd. Least with O’Malley he’ll have the instincts to track back with being a natural LB, he’s got good delivery on him and good pace.
Hippolyte looked good in CM but out wide he’s awful so I wouldn’t even consider him a viable option. Green’s being garbage and Bunn isn’t bad but always picking up injuries.
Why not play Davis next to Onariase with Thompson and Millen in the FB slots, O’Malley and Wilson out wide with Beestin and Wood/pugh in CM with Loft and Scrimshaw up top and just go positive for once.
You never know the unthinkable might happen, we may actually score and win a game. All this playing Beestin LW and going ultra defensive isn’t doing anything anyway as we’re still getting beat.
Only we’re getting beat, hardly showing anything going forward and are boring everybody to death.
This squad “even though unbalanced” has a lot more ability in it than we’re currently seeing. I firmly believe that.
I’m certain that with a more experienced manager who’s been around the block, who will fully/correctly utilize the squad to it’s maximum potential would get much more out of them.
Wilson is just 1 example of yet another promising youngster overlooked. Now, who would come is another thing entirely.
There must be a half decent manager out there somewhere who’s sick of his wife nagging him for getting under her feet ?
Let whoever it is have to end of the season and then take it from there, least he’ll see less of Swann as he’s hardly seen anymore.
Every cloud and all that !
What about Ronnie Moore ?…pay him magic beans
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wonder bowels is a 4 year old child i am sure
Give over badapple, it’s boring.
I think Alcazar would be brilliant apart from the fact he’ll at one point probably bend down and take a massive dump on Swanster’s Axminster carpet.
I would personally move O’Malley up one to LW and play Wilson RW. Thompson and Millen at FB positions. I’d go Beestin and Wood in CM.
I still think there’s a player in Wood. Hackney can go back for me.
Not much between Wood and Pugh but I think Wood is a bit more solid without the ball.
Hackney needs to go back in Jan and we could do with signing a LW on loan. Get O’Neil out the club and see if we can get an able striker in with an ounce of ability.
Quite pleased with Jarvis’s contribution so he’s a viable option but he’s a target man type, similar to Loft. If we can get a nippy striker in who’s not a bad finisher it will go a hell of a long way.
Strange with Wilson though as he looked really promising pre season but not had a sniff.
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Maybe you should try and be a bit more even handed Deerey, and not have tunnel vision. Wanting someone to lose his livelihood and not thinking or caring about Cox’s recent bereavement, is hardly in order is it.
That’s just the spin you’re putting on it. Look, we all feel for what he’s gone through with his father. I wish him no ill will, same as other people on this forum.
What people will not put up with though is a substandard, inexperienced clueless manager. Nobody wishes Cox any pain and suffering, he’s had a go and it’s been proven he’s not good enough.
Simply down to Cox being employed in a position that he isn’t fit to till, end of story. Stop with the angle you’re coming at this from because it’s completely wrong.
Wanting somebody to move on from a managers job which he isn’t fit enough to fill doesn’t mean we all want Cox to suffer unimaginable pain or torment, it’s just a vast amount have come to the conclusion that we either move him on or go down to a league we’ll never get back out of.
This isn’t me being dramatic here..seriously if we go down with the financial situation we’re in as a club with Swannster at the helm, this club will be well and truly sunk for good.
That’s the harsh reality.
No forgone conclusion if we get an experienced manager in that we’ll survive but at least it will increase our chances. That’s all people can hope for.
Cox is a top man and done great things as a player at this club and he’s given it a go here as manager but he’s fell way short.
I wish him all the best…..fantastic former player but crap, clueless manager. Not nice to type but I’m just being honest.
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It might be the Chinese Firm who took over The Steelworks lol
Could you imagine if they were stupid enough to take us over ?
” We can all dream “
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I also think it’s time he moved on. Top bloke and he’s had a go at it but he’s simply not a good enough manager to turn things around and as you stated Vader, you can tell he’s got no real idea on how to turn it around.
I would put that down to not being a good enough manager and a lack of experience which is our position with the little we do have to work with is a recipe for disaster.
We need an old stalwart who’s been around the block to put fundamentals in place and steady the ship. Then from there look to get the best out of the players going forward because Cox will never do it.
At the end of the day we can criticise whoever we want but the main problem is the players aren’t up to league two standards – end of
There is that but with this bunch of players we will need a manager who’s experienced and has the know how to be able to rinse every single last bit of ability there is in this squad to keep us up and I’m sure Cox isn’t that man, he never will be either.
Cox simply isn’t up to it, we need somebody who’s a good man manager to try and get more out of what we have. I don’t think Cox is a good man manager and he’s an awful tactician.
I know he’s had a hard time of it and hope he’s alright but that still doesn’t change the fact that he’s a substandard, inexperienced manager.
Maybe harsh but it’s the truth. Lillis can go with him as well.
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