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Maybe Dean didn’t think we needed 3 target men because now Carver is back he can play second fiddle to Bennett who looks the best of the 3 by quite some distance.

Might now release some funds for another CM player which Hilton mentioned the other day when Bunker was recalled.

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“Yes, I believe the clubs agreed to announce it officially tomorrow. We are now looking at bringing someone in. Either a loan or permanently if the right player becomes available.”

Cliff, it would be asking a lot from Shrimpton to play that sitting role. Hilton probably thinks the same as he’s looking to get a replacement in !

Shrimpton will be a mile off in terms of match fitness. I do like him as a player though but not in that shielding role. I know Bunker was young buy physically was a beast and played as if he was may older than he was.

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Not in that shielding role we haven’t. Only Pugh and Whitehouse who could play there wo are fit.

We may have to go to just the 1 sitter in Pugh and play somebody slightly ahead of him or go to a more conventional 4/3/3. 4/3/3 makes more sense Butterfield, Pugh and Whitehouse ?

Shrimpton won’t be match fit and Fewster got picked the other game out of nowhere and looked miles off it.

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It makes sense why they’ve done it. Forest Green are rock bottom and certs to be relegated so most likely want to see what a match fit Harvey Bunker adds to them for their next season in league two.

Sad to see him go though, he’s was one who you just expected to see a good performance from. Bunkers been a mainstay in that shielding position in front of defence.

Who else is capable of taking his place, Whitehouse ?

Not too sure on Whitehouse and Pugh partnering up. Shrimpton’s more box to box. Fewster’s more attack minded.

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Bunker is/was streets ahead of those two. What a shitter with not having him to call upon, he’s been quality right from the off. That certainly won’t make things any easier.

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Dean likes that formation with two sitters so may as well keep going that way but I’d play Butterfield further back advanced of Bunker and whoever is next to him. That should result in him getting on the ball more to spray the ball out to the wide players. Butterfield was playing really high, almost like a second striker at times and hardly had a touch 1st half.

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Yes Richards Everton I think has signed till the end of the season the help the club out because we already have a number of loan players so helped us out by signing till end of the season to enable us play another one of those loan players.

I thought Shields looked good again when he came on, he doesn’t appear to mess around and at the 1st chance whips the ball in.

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One thing about Leake is that at least he’s positionally a good defender and has good energy, not that good when it comes to passing or linking with players but he’s solid enough.

Richards everton is proving to be really solid, Will Smith is looking really good and Ogle’s hit some good form. Not sure on us going forward though because at times we have absolutely no cohesion whatsoever.

Another 90 minutes will have done Bennett the world of good and Shields looked good when he came on. I’d be tempted to start Shields next match, as soon as he has the chance he whips the ball in which is needed in that formation.

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I’d prefer Feeney to come on for Shields. I was just saying him and Feeney were the obvious back up options.

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Only chance it will be off will be down to frozen pitch. If it is on then we need to be winning it. I’d go 4/4/2 tell Butterfield and Bunker to go full pelt and come 2nd half replace them with Pugh and Fewster if needed to add fresh legs.

Shields and Wilson out wide with Feeney or Ferris to replace Shields as he won’t be match fit so can’t see him lasting. Bennett and Elliot up top, play with speed and width with balls in the box and have a right go.

None of this negative Dean bullshit from here on in, this is it right here we need to be winning and winning now starting tonight. Dean has the players at his disposal, it’s up to him to use them properly.

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People are concerned with his complete lack or tactical nous and his baffling, ultra negative mind set and selections.

This isn’t down to players bedding in at all. That is down to manager who this far looks out of his depth.

Formations that appear not to work
Poor use of substitutes
Negative mindset in not going to attempt to win games and actually being positive
Chopping and changing players game in game out
No real identity and no fixed playing style, it just looks like we’re caught between 2 styles
Appears allergic to width

Dean in my opinion is not getting the best out of the players he’s got, for instance he signs Elliot who scored 5 in 7 games at this level to then isolate him by playing him upfront on his own. Dean then goes out and gets what looks like a quality targetman in to partner him, to then play with no width and no balls in the box.

People understands there’s new players through the door and they wouldn’t have bedded in yet but the questions aren’t so much about the players, they’re about Dean.

The players don’t pick the formation and play in the way they’re being asked to, that’s down to Dean. The worries steam from poor decision making, negative mindset and highly questionable tactical nous.

I can’t help but comparing him and Nelson and it’s like night and day. Nelson was in and got them playing good football relatively quickly with a clear style whereas Dean it’s all a bit of a scrambled mess.

I hope he comes good but what I’ve seen so far worries me and worries many others. If come the end of the season Dean has a really poor record, he would have had just under half a season. If he doesn’t show improvement in the way he’s handling the team come the end of the season then he needs binning for Nelson.

People may think that’s harsh but if Dean doesn’t vastly improve then Nelson will be the better manager of the two by an absolute mile and I’d like a capable manager in charge, who wouldn’t ?

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Dean said in his interview that Fewster had impressed in training.

Must had been crap in all the other training sessions then because he didn’t even make the squad for 90% of his time here. I think it Still seems odd to have started him as he clearly couldn’t have been match fit.

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Disagree, there’s still a chance but we’re getting to a point where we have to start winning and that starts tomorrow. Anything other than a win is no good.

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I agree, Sheilds and wilson out wide with Feeney and ferris as back up with a proper front two.

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“In my wildest dreams I’d like to see 4/4/2 with Shields and Wilson out wide with Pugh or Bunker alongside Butterfield or Beestin”.

Have you dropped Fewster after 1 game?

I was crying out for him to added to the squad to utilize him as an extra body but you don’t sign a player on loan, not have him involved even making the squad since his arrival and then when you do add him, you decide to start him while he’s not not match fit.

Where’s the sense in that ?

Nice try though Heath !

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I don’t get why he’s playing the players he’s choosing to play at times. Fewster did a lord Lucan despite featuring in the 1st game with him not even making the squad for the following games so obviously he couldn’t have been match fit and yet starts against Eastleigh.

Dean needs to decide on a set formation and stick to it. I won’t say one with width because I think he’s allergic to it. If Dean goes with the 4/2/3/1 formation he was fielding before than I hope he at least plays with proper wingers. Wilson & Shields either side of a striker or Wilson & Feeney, no more playing Beestin out there.

In my wildest dreams I’d like to see 4/4/2 with Shields and Wilson out wide with Pugh or Bunker alongside Butterfield or Beestin. I think hell with freeze over first though.

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SteveJobsworth, this isn’t really a case of getting players to gel it’s Dean’s decision making and a lack of tactical nous which is worrying people.

Choosing not to play with any width until the last 15 minutes and taking players off like for like instead of actually trying to win the game isn’t down to players not gelling, that’s probably down to a lower league manager that doesn’t appear to be good enough.

Consistently chopping and changing personal isn’t helping either. Ollie Turner post match commented that the team looks a little lost in terms of getting the ball forward quickly and yet trying to keep the ball to hold on to possession. That’s his way of saying the team looks like they’re caught between two styles.

Dean took offence and clapped back but Ollie has a point, we do like mixed up. Under Nelson we had a clear way of playing and methodology, yet under Dean it all looks a bid muddled.

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The thing what worries me is that Dean didn’t think to himself “what happens if this doesn’t work and need to resort to 4/4/2”, if he did then Shields would have been on the bench.

Dean could have gone 4/4/2 with Wilson on the left and Feeney on the right but clearly couldn’t spot the fact we had no width. What was the point in going out and signing what looks like a good, pretty well rounded target man at 6ft 4 if you don’t play with width and you don’t get hardly any balls in the box ?

Looks like he’s hell bent on playing a target man but doesn’t set the team up to play as if we’re fielding one, which is a bit strange. I honestly don’t know what he’s trying to do. Perfect time today to let the shackles off and play with more conviction with them going down to 10 men and yet Dean went into an ultra conservative shell.

I do wish the new chairman stuck with Nelson.

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*Not one person there today besides Jimmy failed to spot that we needed width and yet he seemed to miss it*

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Compare what Nelson was getting out of a cobbled together squad of players and look what Dean is doing with a vastly stronger squad of players. It literally is like night and day.

Not one person there today besides Jimmy spotted we needed width and yet he seemed to miss it. I liked the look of Bennett who looked a good target man, comfortable in possession and looked really tidy at 6ft4 and yet we had no width and put no crosses into the box until he stuck Richards Everton up top.

Everybody around me was dumbfounded, you could tell by the expressions on peoples faces what they thought of Dean’s decision making.

How far have we regressed since Nelson was replaced as manager ?

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Look the guy is still finding his feet

Still finding his feet, yes but that’s no excuse for having zero tactical nous. Dean’s decision making is effing woeful. I don’t know whether the pressure is that great of losing that it’s blinded him but whatever the reason he’s absolutely dire.

Put it this way, Nelson was working with a patched up team on bare bones and had us playing really good football, if you compare that to what Dean is doing with a much bigger squad, I don’t think on this evidence he’s even fit enough to kiss the soles of Nelson’s shoes.

Getting bedding is one thing but to not recognise when your team is struggling and not being able to read the game sufficiently to spot what to alter, is another thing all together. Everybody and I mean everybody today knew we needed width and yet Dean was completely blind to it.

In general his subs just don’t make sense. That’s not a bedding in problem, that’s a lack of tactical nous. Whatever he was doing was working the level he was at but not sure he’s got it to even manage this high up.

Bennett looked really capable player at 6ft 4 and yet we had no width and got no crosses in the box for him.

What was Dean actually even trying to do ?

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Granted this is early on but Dean looks way, way out of his depth and tactically he’s fecking clueless. Crying out for width today and what did he do ?, took off a striker and replaced him with a winger to then play him through the middle.

Brought Feeney on and had him central and Butterfield was for some strange reason out wide. Only time we looked dangerous was when he stuck Richards Everton upfront and punted balls in the box which is what we should have been doing much earlier.

No shields on the bench and had an abundance of CM players.

Sorry but this bloke is a dud. Call me crazy but he needs binning off and we need Nelson back. The progress we were making under Nelson to then have that all pissed down the drain hole now Dean has come in.

Nelson did that by believing in the players he had at his disposal. Under Nelson we played the ball on the floor and played through teams with 2 upfront and it worked, we were playing well.

Dean has players the players and has many more than what Nelson had but look at the difference. Sorry not for me, even from this early on he looks way out of his depth.

Would you really want him here next season with what we’ve seen so far ?

Shit scared of losing and as he’s far too negative as a result. Tactically he’s absolutely abysmal. This chance even at this level looks too much for him.

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Carver is dog mess. I would put him in the Tyrone O’Neil bracket.

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Elliot scored 5 in 7 for Gateshead so he obviously is effective at this level but he won’t do any good upfront on his own, he needs somebody to play off. I just hope Dean partners him with Bennett because a lone front man he is not.

Sounds like Dean doesn’t really rate Big Gez, hence why he’s gone in for Bennett. Let’s be honest here, he’s a lump and put’s himself about a bit but he was ok in the air and wasn’t that great at holding the ball up.

More I read about this Bennett, he sounds more like a proper Torpey type..which is exactly what we need, providing Dean plays him with Elliot.

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Completely the opposite, sanfran. I’ve just heard the interview where he was talking about Bennett. Dean comes across as he genuinely believes he’ll improve us, so I take from it that he doesn’t really rate Big Gez.

I very well could be wrong but that’s the way he came across.

Fingers crossed we get 4/4/2

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Still come back to my original point, Dean won’t play Big Gez with Elliot so no way on earth he’s going to play Poulter. I highly doubt he’ll even go 4/4/2 this weekend.

Nelson opted for two up top while he was in charge but Dean appears dead set against it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Play 4-4-2 and give it a proper go!

On what we’ve seen so far it doesn’t seem that “giving it a go” is really Dean’s style. I hope he sticks 2 up front though from now on.

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Hope it means 4-4-2!

2 big lads up front, 2 wingers and 2 long throw FBs – get it in the box!!

I hope this means Dean doesn’t rate Big Gez and is wanting to play Bennett in a 4/4/2 alongside Elliot. Knowing our luck with managers, this will probably mean we’ll still be playing with one up front while sticking Elliot out wide.

Perish the thought.

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Beestin isn’t a winger and Elliot isn’t a lone frontman. Only Dean can sort that out.

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