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Bennett for man of the match ?
Was you Bovril laced with Magic Mushrooms ?
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He’d have to pay for it first
I was of the understanding he’d paid for it out right but was just waiting for the clubs assets to be moved over to him.
What the hell is going on ?
Cliff, nobody wants him sacked now. Dean come the end of the season will have had close to half a season. I would assess come the end of the season and if we haven’t improved in these last seven games which gives us something to take into next season, I would personally look at getting rid.
This hasn’t worked with Dean at all. having nearly half a season is more than enough to improve us and to be fair we’ve gotten worse since he replaced Nelson. That’s a fact.
Play Elliot in the position he is most comfortable with – he may be off the pace to start with but look at Bennett…..
Dean won’t though, will he ?. Obsessed with this direct crap and likes to play with a target man. Appears he’s got one style of play and leaves the only striker we have on the bench who’s capable of scoring because of it.
Really needed the win today and should have gone for it. Perfect opportunity to go 4/4/2 and play Elliot up there but no, went negative again.
Again the opposition team changed shape to counteract what we did 1st half and as a result they had the better of the second half. Dean failed to alter tactically to regain the upper hand. This is becoming a recurring theme with Dean.
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Don’t you find it a bit strange how the club still hasn’t been fully signed offer to Hilton yet ?
Taking time, isn’t it ?
I agree SST. Posters need to park everything else off to the side and just focus on what Dean has actually brought and how he himself has performed with what he’s had/got.
These are the known facts..
Style of play is awful
Use of substitutes awful
Failure to adapt tactically when we’re under the cosh
Chops and changes personnel for no real reason e.t.c “splits partnership of Shrimpton and Pugh up while they were playing well”Look, he’s tactically absolutely dreadful. Dean will have had not far off half a season in charge once this season is done and dusted.
Team has no real identity or style of play. I don’t call booting the ball up to a substandard isolated target man really a style.
Putting everything to one side with Swannster and looking at Dean I just don’t think he’s good enough.
Pugh and Shrimpton both been dropped was a bit odd. Those two were starting to gel together and have a good understanding and he dumps them both for York and replaces the pair of them.
I honestly don’t get him at times.
Bit unfair on nelson he had very little to work with and devised a system, style of play and an ethos and we played really good stuff towards the end of his tenure. Nelson needed time to adapt but you could definitely see what he was putting together.
Dean’s come in and by in large it’s all gone to shitty hoofball for the most part.
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Okay he scored 5 in 7 on loan at the Heed. A purple patch? Yes, but it was only seven games
Purple patch or no purple patch, he still showed he can score regularly and we need goals and yet he’s bench warming. Surely he should be playing ?
Dean could have easily gone 4/4/2 tonight and brought him on to partner Bennett but no, typical Dean plays him deep on the right again. Fucking shambles.
Iron awe people know the situation we’re in and didn’t expect to blitz our way to safety but Dean is tactically negative and utterly shite. Sorry, you might not like it but he’s effing dreadful.
Nelson we had a pattern of play and a certain style, got the ball down and played through team with 2 upfront. Nelson got us playing some really good stuff.
This now from Dean is absolute dogshit. Long ball punts to Bennett who’s not very good and yet Elliot who’s hardly had a sniff since coming on, scored 6 in 8 for Gateshead and yet can’t even get a chance upfront despite us needing to score and win games.
Sorry, he’s shite. I thought we’d turned a corner when we won the other week 4-1 but now appears it was a flash in the pan.
Comparing how Nelson did with how Dean is doing now is like comparing night and day.
Nelson had very little and did a lot and Dean has a lot more and is doing very little. That just about sums it up.
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Dean should have taken Butterfield off and brought on Elliot and gone 4/4/2. I know he’s not done much since he’s been here but Elliot hit 6 in 8 for Gateshead and yet Dean only seems to play him out wide.
Too negative for me.
Give him till end of season and then bring Nelson back in. Let’s face it, we were playing better football under Nelson who had considerably less resources.
Struggling for goals and yet Elliot can’t seem to get a sniff. I thought our 4-1 win was the turning point but now suspect that was a one off.
I just don’t think Dean is good enough. Tactically he’s absolutely woeful and that won’t change.
Nelson was miles better. Not a fan of Dean at all. I hope Hilton swallows his pride and reinstates Nelson.
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You need wise old dogs as well as enthusiastic puppies.
I agree. I just don’t think we’ll be needing the old dogs we’ve got.
Whitehouse is no loss so he can go. Feeney hasn’t really done anything of note. Hallam’s a sick note. Carver’s shite. Beestin has been picking up more and more injuries as time’s gone on, good player though and age on his side.
Will we be able to afford Butterfield if we do indeed go down and will he even want to play that low down ?
If we do go down Wilson will be off because a club will definitely bid for him.
Would you want Beestin to stay ?. I don’t think he’s hit the heights of a few seasons back and has been on the decline ever since.
As said above there’s no doubting his ability to score goals. As said many years ago about Godden, Poulter is without any shadow of a doubt “while it’s not saying much about who’s here at the minute” the best finisher at the club.
Tyrell sellers is talented too. We have a number of talented youngsters. I really like Jack Moore-Billam so it all depends on whether Dean knows how to handle young players and getting the right experienced players around them so they progress.
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That formation with 2 sitters does give up free space for the opposition to go against our full backs due to the gaps out wide, if our full backs for whatever reason get urinated on e.g Leake today, Thompson and Shrimpton can’t go out there because then it would leave a huge gap in the middle.
Dean should have changed to 3 in midfield and should have had one of those trying to screen their RW, poor Leake got absolutely ripped to pieces. Their RW has scored 15/16 goals for crying out loud.
Thing with Dean is he essentially has one way of playing and when that one formation doesn’t work, either due to a gap in quality or the other team counteracting it he struggles tactically to find a foot hold back in the game.
When the formation works it really works, only problem is when he needs to think on his feet he doesn’t seem to have the tactical nous to at the very least improve it.
I’m a lot more optimistic than most on here by the sounds of it. Played really well last time out and have a relatively easy run in, if we win those easier games and pick up another win, we may be safe.
You just never know. I was one for changing the formation but how can you ask for change after the last match in which we won 4-1 ?. Now we have 2 proper wide players and a good solid target man, the formation Dean’s choosing to play actually works.
Shocking I know but it does.
Fancy that !
Poulter does need a stink in men’s football and to beef up a bit. Scoring ability in the youth’s is akin to Godden’s. No doubt he has a lot of ability.
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Thing is with Dean is that he favours the formation we’re playing now and to play in the central midfield roles you have to be mobile, athletic to cover all the ground you’re going to need to cover and Whitehouse would have never fitted the bill.
Shrimpton, Pugh definitely you could put in that bracket. Rance is said to fit in that kind of mould and Thompson on loan is supposed to be an energetic workhorse so not so sure Whitehouse would have got a look in any way.
I like Whitehouse but he wouldn’t have really suited this formation.
Putting these joke posts to one side. This now leaves us with Ogle as the only recognised RB on the books.
Well this is what Dean said later on when asked about Fewster
Manager explains why he’s sent Billy Fewster back to Nottingham Forest
Reading between the lines, Dean was of the opinion that he didn’t work hard enough.
As a d&g player makes you wonder what he can bring to the team ,if he can’t get in their team what sort of quality he
I said the same regarding Richards Everton not getting a look in at Yeovil at look how he’s turned out. You can’t always go by that logic.
Derby Fans were confused when it was announced because he burst on the scene last season and looked really promising in the championship and didn’t look out of place there.
Tailed off this season but according to Derby fans he’s way too talented for this level. Similar things were said about Fewster but Fewster never had 23 appearances at championship level. Quite a few of those were full starts and he had a few man of the match awards as well during those run of games so he definitely must have something about him.
Derby fans said he’s better than a few others that have made more appearances than him this season. Looking forward to see how he get’s on.
Some rate Whitehouse but do mention his lack of pace to get back, if Rance can do that job then it does strengthen options.
Then we have a 2023/24 option on him so looks like he is up to the challenge.
Rance is described as a tough tackling, hardworking, defensive midfielder. So you can only assume he’s here as a direct competition to both Pugh and Shrimpton because if anything would have happened to either of those without him coming in, we would have been in deep poo poo.
Whitehouse is solid enough but lacks pace and mobility to play that role. Thompson from what I’ve read is more a creative, passing player so I assume he’s been brought in to add competition to Butterfield’s attacking midfielder role.
Buetterfield is fantastic at this level but what would happen if anything was to happen to him and we hadn’t had brought Thompson in, would would have played there, Feeney ?. I wouldn’t move Wilson either because he’s on top form at the minute.
I think we needed both in.
Competition for Butterfield’s no 10 role ?
Looks like Dean’s not keen on Whitehouse as a back up player option. Rance will be Bunker’s replacement. Thompson maybe will be a direct replacement for Butterfield to add competition there ?
In that particular position you have to have the athleticism and running power to be able to cover an awful lot of ground, not only that they need to cover it quickly due to the large gap they have to cover.
What you’re saying is true about if a player is good enough in terms of positional sense and have a really good passing range but that doesn’t really apply at this level. If there was a player who had anticipation, positional sense and had a varied passing range then they wouldn’t be playing at this level of football.
In my opinion that only comes into play further up the football pyramid, not at this standard. Stick him in a 3 in the middle but not a screening midfielder. Bunker excelled there as well but he again was athletic and was able to get around the pitch.
Cassidy, when you have 2 midfield sitters who screen the back 4 they have to cover an awful lot of ground and be able to get constantly up and down the pitch to bridge the gap to the midfield 3 who are naturally a lot further up.
Whitehouse can’t get around the pitch like Pugh and Shrimpton, he simply doesn’t have the athleticism and running power of either of those two.
Does Pugh have deficiencies?, yes but he’s definitely improved, in fact I think he’s improved a lot. Shooting is crap mind and is passing is a little off at times but he brings a lot to this team and him and Shrimpton compliment each other incredibly well in there.
I was wrong about Shrimpton not being able to play that role as I didn’t think he’d be disciplined enough but he’s proved me wrong.
Whitehouse is a good solid player but he’s no world beater either. Whitehouse in a midfield 3 yes but not screening the back 4, he hasn’t got the legs/mobility.
Guarantee we took Pugh out and played Whitehouse in his place, we’d get played through a lot more easily. Maybe you see Whitehouse as a lower league Patrick Viera, cassidy ?
Shields or Feeney?
Shields by a country mile, we look a genuine threat out wide now with him and Wilson on either flanks. I like Shields from what I’ve seen so far, hard working and he’s direct.
Shields doesn’t piss about with it either, soon as he get’s a chance he get’s the ball whipped in which is how a winger should play. I like the fact he can go and take people on down either side.
Only will get better too as he’s still getting his match fitness. Bennett is what we’ve been crying out for up top. Pugh and Shrimpton we have two mobile, athletic , very hardworking midfielders which cover the ground fanatically well.
Solid at the back again and where the hell did that come from ?. A Jake Leake worldie run and calm finish. Shields and Wilson outstanding out wide and Butterfield was Butterfield.
Is it finally coming together now the players are becoming match fit ?
Looked good on debut, went missing for 5/6 games, then out of nowhere played a game out the blue while clearly not been match fit and has now gone back to Forest.
Sandwiched between that were rumours that he’d gone back before.
What the hell is going on at this club ?
Following this bullshit we then had Big Gez who’s been moved on despite us having just the 1 viable match fit target man and he went to Eastleigh and started for them in their first game.
I can’t help but thinking that despite the new chairman’s arrival, we’re still as amateurish as ever.
Lee Hughes used to be terrible at Notts County back in the day and Lee Thorpe ex Lincoln City was like that too. Mullin is a diving, cheating pillock. Good player, he’s just one of those type of players that are well versed in the dark arts.
Mullin cheats refs and he’s good at it too.
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