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The burners seemed rattled yesterday. Alleged lists of personal details of Hilton critics on twitter, claims to know who twitter members post as on here.
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It would have been if the government had implemented the country’s wishes.
The people’s wish was to leave the EU. We have left the EU, so how they haven’t implemented Brexit is beyond me. Such cognitive dissonance is amazing.
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Must be on cloud 9. Really pleased for him.
Don’t know what happened there. Supposed to be a post to the KVV thread!
Same thing happened with me yesterday. I was sure I originally posted a comment on this thread, but it appeared on the Brexit benefits thread. I thought I must have accidentally clicked on the wrong thread when I replied, but now I wonder if it’s a glitch.
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I have heard rumours sufc, and have no evidence to back them up or idea as to whether they have merit, but you can’t blame people for being sceptical when it’s all hearsay right now.
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For some it may mean little, because we have little power. However, awareness might create some to at least demand clearer answers, because Swann’s silence and poor communication from the club under Hilton has left us dazed and confused. Awareness and transparency are a good thing because it allows those with power to be held accountable. Those who are honest don’t need to fear it, and even discrepancies can be cleared up, so questions about what’s brought up can be answered. After all, this is our football club and I don’t want to be placing all my trust in someone who might not deserve it.
Of course, such questions I have may be answerable and Hilton may succeed. I don’t want to write him off at this time, but after Swann I am going to tread cautiously.
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I think it’s more important to have transparency with Hilton than IB, personally, given the latter’s involvement with our club. Regardless of IB’s motivation, he has unearthed material which raise eyebrows over how Hilton has handled his interests in the past. Of course Hilton might be a changed man, but he has seemingly got himself involved with another fuss in his ventures. I don’t see how the worries from the material unearthed change if IB has a more personal agenda against Hilton. The worries come from evidence based information IB has unearthed, not from his actual arguments.
It’s not just from him either. Jordan Zakarin has spoken to people who Hilton has borrowed money from in the past and they are not on good terms with him, due to lack of returns of money. OK, this is based on Jordan’s word, so it may be taken with a pinch of salt. However, it all adds in to concerns which make sense given past failed ventures and Company’s House records. Jordan seems a well intentioned guy as well, and provided a lot of info and work which showed up Swann, so I think he is motivated by concern for the club.
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I can’t speak for others, but I am thankful of the information you brought up. It is concerning, and I think we need to be aware of where we place our trust in Hilton. A history of poor business history, legal battles and burning people he has borrowed from do raise eyebrows and is something we should bare in mind when he comes in saying how all the issues with the ground are Swann’s fault and makes promises about new stadiums and what not.
Of course what we do with this is one thing, and JI is right in that we aren’t in control of ownership and decisions made there. However, lambasting critics (by some) won’t alleviate concerns or remove division, and there are ways of raising a spotlight and create some kind of plan in case things go belly up. Even if that is a phoenix club.
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Yep, too early to tell, but there are a lot of red flags for me. I just hope the ‘top fans’ on twitter will be reflective if things do go awry with Hilton after so much as berating anyone for having a concern or question.
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Not even Graham will make me want that lot to succeed.
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Looks like they came across the same issues Hilton is dealing with and decided the valuation was way off the mark. Everyone but Swann must be wrong of course.
Remember they were being called cheap skates at the time aswell.
I remember WonderGoals saying they don’t have the money to meet Swann’s valuation, with some fuss about him being derogatory towards the new consortium. Now WonderGoals isn’t saying Hilton doesn’t have the money after all, unlike with Sharp and Elliott.
It is said that Hilton is facing the same as them, in that he is facing unrealistic valuations. Yet I don’t think the valuation has changed since the deal was agreed; if that was an issue, Hilton should have thought about it more during the due diligence he said he undertook. Whatever happens with the legal standing over the current Swann-Hilton battle, I doubt a court of law is going to rule in Hilton’s favour because he regrets signing an agreement over the valuation. It’s one reason as to why I don’t think this will end in Hilton’s favour regarding Glanford Park. You can’t sign a contract stating you’ll pay a sum of money by a date and then say you actually disagree with it, while still buying the asset.
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I agree, Deerey. I am no fan of the “carry on clapping” or snide remarks about Elliott or whoever. I see BadApple is making comments about Elliott just wanting to worm his way in with the owner at the time. However, a lot of the fuss comes when someone raises a concern or question and gets derided and insulted. There will always be division if those wanting to back Hilton more strongly resort to this when dealing with critics.
I am not going to cast negative assertions on those wanting to back Hilton and hope for the best. In return I expect to not be slammed and judged for raising a question about Hilton. Ultimately, most want to succeed and if the ground issues are sorted in Hilton’s favour and all other concerns amount to nothing, then great. However, I am not willing to turn off critical faculties and refrain from questioning where I see fit, because it makes life easier. That would just be kicking the can down the road and ignoring a potentially damaging situation to make short term happiness when long term problems may prevail.
For fan unity, I think all need to realise that those backing Hilton and those with questions want the club to succeed, so we all need to reflect on how we interact with other fans. Not just Hilton critics, because Hilton backers too, since some of them seem to instigate the tension. This club matters way more than Hilton’s ego. We should be prepared to stand for it, no matter who is at fault for the ground situation. Interested Bystander is right when he talks of means of doing something for the club with engagement across fans. This can work with the owner when needs be, but if something goes wrong there can be a stand, especially if media contacts are made and the situation can be brought to light. It might not do anything, but trying something is more likely to succeed than pity.
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He has unearthed some snippets about Hilton’s past which do generate questions. The answers may be prosaic, but it’s not wrong for fans to have concerns, especially as the last owner showed how blind trust doesn’t make a bad situation go away. It can lead to misery further down the line.
Things like fan meets can create a group of motivated individuals to act in case it’s needed. Right now it wouldn’t be anything like trying to oust Hilton, of course. It would be to develop a strategy in case it goes pear shaped, and links with the media would be able to bring greater attention.
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The bpg inquisition into JI continues for being civil with heathens.
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Anyone who says so much as they want to reduce immigration is practically Hitler.
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IB – you flag up all this history, it is largely irrelevant, I only care and will judge Hilton on what he does now for SUFC, and so far he’s doing ok.
I very much care as to what was done; it gives glimpses into the character and what might happen to our club under him, without scrutiny. Why the desperation to potentially be fooled again?
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I think some have a feeling, and Hayes cares and cared for the club, but ultimately they need to look after themselves first. Who can blame then when the job is more finite than others and it’s not the most secure?
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Swann spoke well, but none of his promises materialised, was full of excuses for failure and rather touchy with criticism. He wasn’t afraid to use the legal system for dealing with fans and journalists. By the end our relationship with local journalists was at rock bottom, with them being refused access to Glanford Park.
I am not going to go into a ramble, but I think his failure was due to incompetence and ego over anything truly sinister. Some may disagree, but I think he thought he could deliver far more than he could achieve with his ability. He is a known gambling addict (now) and took that approach with us. You won’t get many coming to his defence for this reason; he gambled our future for a pipe dream. This for me makes him a bad owner and he didn’t prioritise our existence over his own high opinion of his capabilities and dreams. Plus, there was a lot of nepotism, with family members dominating the board room, including having his son as chief scout.
I doubt the IB lads will go for another Swann interview. They got enough hassle from some for not being critical of Swann enough, so will probably not bother for this reason alone.
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