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Someone needs to reign Herbert in. His divisive rhetoric, asking for fan’s identities and comments about banning fans for the wrong opinion only escalate things, especially with him acting as unofficial spokesman for Hilton.

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I think all that needed to be said has been said already. This doesn’t really add much.

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Looks like they’ve read the Bru and are putting out statements like hot dinners*:

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/september/joint-statement-from-the-board-of-directors-at-scunthorpe-united-football-club/?fbclid=IwAR1addCYwQGVUw7qByQFHznafKxv9LZMln3MngF6-kNXjaaUQxEe3JHOdJw

*This is just a comment, not a criticism.

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Another one:

https://unexpecteddelirium.substack.com/p/scunthorpe-united-this-is-what-this

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Just Iron, The Invisibleman, North Lincolnshire Irons, Interested Bystander

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Maybe he doesn’t want the abuse.

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I realise a lot of that might come across as strong, but I don’t think it is wrong of me to make a stand here. My position is always to respect the believer, but that does not mean I have to respect the belief (it doesn’t matter the political stripe).

Things like homophobia and climate change minimisation, when it goes against evidence, does not need to be treated with some sort of respect as a position worthy of respect. Much of the latter isn’t reported in the media, because it’s frankly wrong. It doesn’t mean I won’t disrespect you or others as a person, but I withhold my right to think leftist, centrist or rightist ideas are wrong if they don’t fit with what I understand. I recognise others will say my views are wrong too, but they in turn have to respect the reciprocal.

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I am no psychiatrist, so my opinion is just that and not one backed by expertise. The clips I see of him today are far different from several years ago. They’re less lucid and filled with more odd ramblings, strange diversions and at times odd outbursts of emotion. I don’t mean it to be mean, but I find it odd and worry he might be unhealthy.

I clarified what I meant by conspiracist and you have twisted it beyond all proportion. I mean it’s those who see themselves as never wrong, when there is an accusation against them it’s because of ‘the establishment’ out to get them. Any disagreement is disingenuous behaviour from the metropolitan liberal elite/progressive agenda. Not because they disagree with them; any opinion against such people is inherently bad faith. from Ironically, many of the same people were fine when people like Owen Jones and Aaron Bastani get called out for their own, similar conspiracist thought where everyone against them was an establishment figure out to do them down.

As for progressiveness, there is much to that I disdain and find it too embroiled in identity politics. That said, the other side is just as bad. There is nothing wrong with celebrating gay people, for example, just because it hurts the feelings of conservatives, the religious or makes them feel disgust. I couldn’t, frankly, give a stuff about such whining about their hurt feelings or disgust because society now acknowledges gay people. It’s not appalling that society tolerates gay people or trans people and doesn’t make them out to be anything but decent because of something which isn’t something that can be controlled. I don’t think of trans rights in the same way as many current trans rights activists do, I know, but don’t want to make out that being trans inherently makes someone trans a freak. Does some of the progressive nonsense go too far? Yes, I am no fan of seeing the kink people in pride in front of kids, nor the trans issues being simplified to make out anyone who thinks women should have their own spaces is some kind of bigot. However, the other side just want gay people to go back into hiding, from what it seems, and act as thin skinned about it as the ‘snowflake progressive’ counterparts. Similarly with women’s rights. Male violence towards women is a thing, and should be dealt with. That’s more important than men moaning that it hurts their feelings. It doesn’t mean all men are aggressive or violent.

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That is fair, Deerey. IB has given some good contributions, including in response to latest news, and I do disagree with some in that he’s happy with this or whatever. I have seen no gloating. I just find this not a big deal and he has given a good explanation for something I found odd. You raise a good point in that not all of our posts are always helpful.

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Many of those fleeing from war are coming from Syria or Ukraine, both of which have involved Russian, Iranian or Syrian regime weaponry.

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I will also add by conspiracist, I don’t mean stark raving mad conspiracy theorist as such (though some, like Oliver and Brand seemingly are). I mean those who reactively doubt something because it’s a more ‘mainstream’ position without much actual scepticism, in my opinion.

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In all my life I have heard fewer ridiculous excuses than he was anxious about bad stuff coming out, so he shouldn’t be able to pay those he owes.

Also, the HMRC debt is said to be equivalent or more than when he took over. If he paid 80% of debts off, how is this happening? We have former staff and players not paid, endless CCJs from after he took over and a bill to the taxman. Just what is his money he says he has ploughed in being spent on, besides current player wages?

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Just Iron wrote:

No need for that last little dig, Heath. I thought the rest of your post was perfectly sound.

On the ‘types’ who have may somehow ‘defended’ Brand I would just point out that they differ massively in their views and backgrounds. To lump Peterson with Galloway or Musk with Tate I find revealing and disturbing. I guess what apparently unites them is the perception that they are all that Sidey detests… untrustworthy, conspiracy theorists, blindly partisan etc I’ve no axe to grind for any of them .well, maybe Peterson .. and have always disliked Galloway .. but I do still maintain that referencing these individuals as a gang of ‘types’ shows that the political aspect of the Brand case can’t be discounted.

I don’t mean they’re one of the same politically, and I specifically said that some are less extreme than others, but all are united by a conspiracist mindset. At least now. I don’t think Peterson is a bad person in the way Tate is by the way, so I don’t mean it to say there are no differences.

I will say that when Jordan Peterson first burst into the mainstream I thought a lot of the criticism of him as an unreasoned crank was very unfair from the left. His interview on Channel 4 came across badly, from Channel 4’s end. However, I feel that in recent years, probably because of ill mental health, he has deteriorated into the caricature of what the left portrayed him as. Mostly, I feel sorry for him and think he needs to take a breather and seek some therapy, good therapy that challenges his mindset (not over politics, but over how he frames things), because he’s now posting tweets in weird haiku formats and making nothing but weird rambles, seemingly.

I don’t mean that they are all bad people, but they are all people who have judgement I find skewed and detached from reality or apologetic to such.

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Two “expert summarisers” in a row lost to management. Max Bell next?

Max Bell to manage our phoenix club?

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IB, I say this kindly. You have unearthed some important stuff, but this isn’t one of them. To see this, you must have been trawling through Ilkeston’s likes, as the ability to see who has liked an individual tweet has gone. For the sake of your own mental health, don’t get so involved and obsessed.

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I agree that we should support the team. My last post was to say that any drop in form or performance is understandable given the situation. They aren’t wage thieves or whatever.

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Cliff Byrne’s Right Peg wrote:

Worst day in our history?

Absolutely!
We won’t win the NLN.
Not enough passion, fire, desire.
Not enough winners in the team.
Not enough leaders.
Too many happy enough to pick up their wages!
$hite!

Maybe, after the recent debacle, some are being affected by the worry that they won’t have their wages paid.

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Also, with regards to timing, well there has been much written as to why victims take time and don’t go to the police, through lack of trust over being believed and added stress. Not everything is a conspiracy just because Russell is not exactly mainstream.

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I don’t think such people are trustworthy, and are rather clownish, but not as a reaction to them being right wing. There are plenty of clowns among the left and even the centre (I suspect Galloway would resent being called a right winger still). They are united by being full of ‘rational judgement’ when it comes to allegations against who they see as their own, but will gladly call for damning of those against them.

Also, just as much some might have a ‘progressive agenda’ I think many of these people have their own agendas, which are as bad or worse than agendas like those claiming Stonehenge was built by black people. Many of them seem to have lost all sense of reason, rationality or evidence for their claims (e.g. Neil Oliver). Others may be less extreme, and many will sometimes be right, but they’re seemingly blind to the worst elements of their own. Brand has always been an idiot (in my opinion) and was worthy of critique when he was left coded. The allegations against him are causing issues for me, and several others, not because of political beliefs. I would say the same, and have, for those of any political stripe.

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No worries. I realise I included something which could potentially cause libel issues if left unchecked, so my apologies for that.

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I realise the site has to be careful, especially in these fraught times. I have said all I need to regarding my own levels of trust in the ownership, and will leave it at that for tonight. Hopefully something can be salvaged from this mess. Starting with a win tonight, hopefully.

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Yes, not trusting Hilton makes me not a supporter. Right. Yawn.

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A lot of that is just his say so, and I do not trust it. However, as a positive, I will say that I appreciate the apology for stoking divisions among the fans and realising his wording has been poor a lot of the time. I fear it’s too late and this kind of contrition should have come far sooner. Hopefully there’s someone out there to take this basket case on.

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It’s ludicrous. Some people have written unsupportive stuff about me, so it’s their fault I am not paying the taxman is his argument.

I won’t be too mean on the fans deluding themselves, but this is what happens when they lose themselves into believing what they want to believe and no-one reigns them in for their toxic behaviour towards doubters.

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I didn’t realise it’s ok to absolve yourself of responsibility for paying people what they’re owed because of your own personal feelings over matters like forthcoming articles.

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He’s been limiting funds to current players only. I thought it was because all the other players are trying to scam him?

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Another statement via Herbert on the SUFC page. It’s beyond ridiculous now. How much credulity do people have for these endless finger wags at others? Latest board resignation is because it’s yet another disingenuous individual against poor Dave. It’s ludicrous.

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I think the context is different, and I don’t actually wish poor mental health on Hilton. All the best to Toffolo.

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Well that ceretainly triggered a few, nice.

Well, stuff like this would to be fair. He can’t blame Swann, moaning fans or others for this one.

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Wait, Jerry is now the enemy? It will be ridiculous if Hilton and his cultish followers claim Jerry should go support another club and wants the club dead.

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