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Round em up then kill them,very efficient,where have we seen that before?.Notice how the right wing press again begin to call critics,”antisemites”?

If rounding up and killing them was the ulterior motive they wouldn’t have bothered with any evacuations from Gaza City.

Accusations of antisemitism typically come when people engage in conspiracy theories or say stuff about Jewish masters controlling others etc. It’s perfectly fine to call Netanyahu a fascist or something; that’s not antisemitic.

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If you think all conflicts are different, you should understand why I am arguing against a comparison between Bin Laden and Netanyahu because they are not the same. This conflict was started by Oct 7th, without it there would be no war, no matter the injustices of the West Bank or Israeli wrongs. The decision to cause a pogrom and hostage situation is the fault of Hamas and its allies, not Israel, no feelings of discrimination or whatever justifies it or explains it away. There are other outlets. Besides, Hamas would use any excuse, because they’re not just reactionary to Israel, they have their own ideology incompatible with peace.

None of this means I think Netanyahu is good (second time, will be ignored again probably), I don’t know what Israel expect to do with civilians in Rafah. However, crass comparisons to Saddam or Bin Laden are just agenda driven and the arguments made here could be made against the results of war in British army too, hence me arguing against it. Because, no matter the indiscipline seen in the IDF, and Netanyahu’s worrying comments and actions, I don’t find this a convincing argument regarding comparing casualties of war with those who deliberately planned to kill civilians, not engaging in callous disregard for civilians during war.

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Maybe if you got off your high horse you would be able to understand the point. OP was using casualties to suggest Netanyahu is worse than Bin Laden. I was saying that civilian casualties are higher in many other conflicts too, but this doesn’t make us worse. That’s it. Using WWII to point out the flaws in the argument is valid.

Your argument is that the different context of WWII makes it invalid, so I ask, are civilian deaths ok in different circumstances? It’s the only way my comparison would be invalid.

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Also, I am not saying it is the same as WWII, but the OP is making an argument about numbers of casualties. I am pointing out it isn’t, so judging the Israel-Palestine conflict against Bin Laden is as false as WWII is with Israel-Palestine conflicts. If numbers alone mean all, then WWII along with the other post-WWII wars you ignore, means we could be judged worse than Bin Laden. Which I find silly.

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So civilians dying in war ok depending on circumstance? So, when civilians died in ISIS operations it’s not so bad as Bin Laden, but during an Israeli led war it’s definitely worse and makes them worse than Bin Laden?

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Britain and its allies killed more in WWII, Afghanistan and anti-ISIS operations too. We’re still not worse than Bin Laden. Not that this makes Netanyahu a good person, but it’s not a good metric to draw moral comparisons, necessarily. Context is key. For one, there wouldn’t be conflict if Hamas hadn’t initiated it for an ideology, much like Bin Laden’s attempts.

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Yeah, and Hilton continued behaving shady afterwards, like a con man.

One difference between Hilton and Flynn is that Hilton was involved in owning companies with stakeholders (both staff and fans) caring for it. Someone with a checkered past going back to a career which could allow him to continue should have raised alarm bells. Flynn’s history of dangerous driving would raise alarm bells if he was going for a job as a lorry driver, taxi driver or courier. As he is going for a job as footballer, I suspect we can sleep easier because he doesn’t need to drive professionally for it, unless we’re planning on him playing on the wing in a flash Range Rover.

Also, you speak of fraud as if it is some minor crime. It isn’t. It’s a crime that ruins people.

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Deereyme66

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I suspect it wasn’t a lucky guess myself… ;-)

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Especially since Nelson is currently managing a side struggling in Northern League Div 2.

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Square Ball Bullimore, Awaywego

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You can’t say that, Max Bell will be on to you!

Max speaks for 99% of fans, don’t you know? It doesn’t matter if most vocal disagree, his ego can tell him that the silent majority agree.

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To be down with the kids, 64 should reference something from Ted Lasso.

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Northumbiron

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Usually people speaking of ‘the truth’ are not usually interested in evidence suggesting what ‘the truth’ is.

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This is about the superior Bru podcasts, ironfromafar! ;-)

Ar apologies dint know there are 2 Scunny themed pods .. i know nothing of the one you refer too.

You should give it a listen. The Bru one has SST as one of the hosts. Latest one is here:

https://twitter.com/ironbru_net/status/1755619805279703357

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ironfromafar

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This is about the superior Bru podcasts, ironfromafar! ;-)

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Northumbiron, Sanfran49

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He comments as if he is speaking on behalf of the whole board. Michelle better be in agreement, because this looks like he’s undermining her

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The Google reviews for their main place are not great recently either, with cold food being a recurring comment.

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Aye, he brought the feel good factor (anyone would have at that stage) and some good food, so we can forgive him for trying to swindle and wreck the club. We don’t know what would have happened if Hilton hadn’t have stepped in then, but we do have a suspicion that ‘the saviour’ brought us to hours or days of destruction. All ok though, because you can get a burger at the match.

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Southend survived several winding up petitions and if it got so severe Michelle may have stepped in eventually. Also, we wouldn’t have had the further stacks of debt brought on by Hilton, so we could well have been in a much more stable financial position without the exploits of the soiled saviour.

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Crippling the club, so we can’t buy needed transfers and boost the squad when we need it is ‘getting it right’?

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Rene Artois

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I once worked in an office with a guy who looked the spitting image of Adam Sandler. So much so that once, when he flew to the USA, customs officers questioned him for a bit, thinking his identity provided was false, and this was some sort of Adam Sandler practical joke being played on them. It took a while to believe him, despite the valid IDs. He, like Sandler, is Jewish too.

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Clown? :-)

Tbf, there will always be negative opinions of some people from liberals to conservatives and vice versa. Doesn’t really bother me that conservatives will slag off liberal voices like James O’Brien sometimes in similar fashion (and it is sometimes justified, I think). Fine by me, so long as you don’t cast aside every voice in opposition, and sometimes liberals do that towards conservatives. Still, when Peterson is making comments about Elmo, I think he maybe needs to step off social media for a while and clear his head.

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I don’t care about him being taken in particularly and don’t feel we should shame him with airing such videos. It was his insulting stance to critics, which seems to have continued to some degree post-Hilton.

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Daniels started off poorly, but by the end he was a decent keeper. Less error prone than Fitz, I feel. Fitz is good for our level, and the best we have had since Gilks, but I find it uneasy elevating him to best since Murphy given the standard. Chesterfield fans thought he was rubbish with them.

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Performances have been getting poorer for a while, with Butterfield stifled in midfield. Beestin on the wing is poor, Wilson is weak, Scales is anonymous and Clunan has been poor too.

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Stupid from Denton. Couple of sloppy errors today.

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I don’t think we have much power to allow this or not, to be honest. Neither Israel or Palestine want a ceasefire, so the realities of urban warfare will continue.

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Also, I don’t know if anyone remembers a Paul Shepherd, who played for us in the 00-01 season, managing one appearance against Torquay. Well, it is briefly mentioned that he was caught as a drug pusher in this operation.

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I have been listening to this Catching the Kingpins podcast from the BBC, exploring the encrochat case and how the police used this to catch some serious criminals. The series details how the hack happened, cases of who they managed to snare with the operation (from mid-level drug pushers, to high level importers and money launderers), the people behind encrochat and more. The sophistication of the criminal operation makes dodgy Dave look small time.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0h2l18d

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Deereyme66

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They call others snowflakes, but explicitly say they ban people because they don’t like what they say.

It’s been explained to them by James Moody why they can’t allow such photos on there, there’s nothing the club can do about it, and they aren’t going to risk repercussions for going against the rules for this. It’s just some bloke who took photos, yet some on there are more outraged than they ever were over Hilton, right up to the end.

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