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You note I didn’t use the term communist. However, the idea that Biden is in league with the Cuban solidarity lot is still hilarious.

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Not huffing and puffing at all, Siderite. I don’t give a toss what you or the usual suspects think. I’d have been very surprised had any of the comments been any different.

You just don’t get it.

Yet you regularly do if someone disagrees with you, even civilly, and agreeing is not good enough if you’re a centrist or left leaning. So, despite your self-declarations I will stick to my own interpretation of your character and ability to accept others who have different opinions, as is my right.

Whether it’s accurate or not, it’s my own interpretation and I am free to call it out as you do with others based on your own.

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Sarcasm might work there if those you support didn’t pal around with the Cuban solidarity movement. ;-)

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Do they need to pal around with the Cuba solidarity mob to be a moderate in your eyes?:-)

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Hmmmm. I am not so sure. He would probably fit in with the Lib Dems and moderate Labour, but none of these are ultra-left outside of the skewed libertarian right bubble which sees reds under every bed.

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Await the huffing and puffing for being critical of the usual suspect, with accusations of bullying and abuse, when the critique is no more offensive or attacking than what he levels at others all the time for doing so much as disagree with him (God forbid).

Ridiculing the right for not fitting a certain political profile is bad, ridiculing centrists and the left is acceptable, seemingly. :-)

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Also, Mao supporters are the ultra left. If you acknowledge Biden isn’t among them, it’s a tacit admission you were bullshitting when calling Biden such. Otherwise I might as well call Truss an ultra rightist and excuse it that I don’t mean she was like neo-Nazis.

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I love how Bucks gets irate at me saying how his ideas are ridiculous, while saying the same back and expecting to be taken as some sage voice of wisdom.

Anyone who thinks Biden is some ultra leftist is bonkers and has no clue as to what left wing politics actually is, frankly. The only one who has been fooled is Bucks, by his own ideological blindness.

64, who is further to the left, must be guffawing at the idea of Biden as a raging ultra-lefty. As would any actual strong leftist. This is just the inverse of lefties calling anyone to the right of Tony Benn a fascist. To Bucks, anyone to the left of Cameron is a raging pinko commie. What next? Tony Blair the ultra leftist? Biden is hardly greatly to the left of him. Anyone who thinks otherwise is blinded by their own tribal dogma.

It’s amusing how Bucks wails about others demonising Tories while demonising others. Hypocrisy at its finest and a perfect example while debate is not possible.

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billpuntonsghost wrote:

..it is the same! The government elites still have a remain agenda.

Rishi Sunak was a Brexiteer.

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That’s what the Corbynites said when they didn’t get polling indications they liked.

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If you aren’t going to get involved, don’t come and make out criticism of his conspiracies, which are OTT, are out of order. I am not saying anything to be nasty to him. He is free to spout it, but I am free to critique. This is supposed to be a free society.

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The idea that Biden is ultra-left is hilarious and only made by people whose view of the world is skewed by a heavy right wing bias, with a belief that anyone to the left of Regan is a pinko commie.

Actual ultra-leftists hate Biden and see him as a capitalist shill.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

‘Thanks to all who wished me well. Much appreciated. Had a ‘lump’ the size of an egg removed from my shoulder’

Wow, that’s a little more than ‘minor’ IMO JI! Sounds like it went OK though and wishing you well for continued recovery. I’m sure I can vouch for everyone when I say, despite our differences and arguments, none of us wish any ill on any other forum posters. Take care bud.

I may disagree with JI a lot, but I usually find him to be reasonable and always behaves with decorum. Not like that matters when it comes to something like this. I would say the same to anyone needing some medical attention of some worry.

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Also, Bucks’s condemnations are rarely with detail or without whataboutery, which waters down the impact in my opinion.

Do many on here critique Labour? No. Though, I don’t think Bucks is much better for the other side.

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bpg has regularly talked of the great reset, a conspiracy theory. I am going to refrain from talking about fruitcakes and nuts, because that’s too far for me, but calling it out as a paranoid conspiracy theory is not out of order. We are allowed to call out right wing silliness. Just as we can with left wing silliness, and I have done, yet you have no issue with that.

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Pointless trying to have a sensible debate, frankly, but some of the comments are just absurd. The EU could collapse — it’s far from impossible — and you lot would still claim it was a mistake to leave.

Well, yes, it is and not just because of everyone who dares to disagree with you. I have given up, since I know there’s no chance you’d debate with me in good faith. I have to spell out things umpteen times for you not to twist what I am saying.

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I think the worries over being refused payments, linking it to his Christianity,does fit with a paranoid mind.

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Get your facts straight, Heath. I’m very clear about not agreeing with or supporting a lot of what the Tories do. Yet you lot — and I think it’s pretty clear who I mean by “you lot”, Siderite — just appear to support Labour on everything.

Heath, Corbyn remains highly relevant given the man who supported this extreme left-wing racist is leader of the opposition; and, of course, you supported him, too.

You lot could mean anyone on this thread. It was vague.

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Paranoia.

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Extremists all justify wrongdoing by labelling those who disagree as evil. Yet I don’t think Lot’s wife deserved to be turned into a pillar of salt or those kids mauled to death by bears for mocking Elisha for being bald. The justifications for this are similar to that of Kim Jong-Un for his antics.

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Your god sounds like a genocidal dictator. It doesn’t exactly win me over to Christian morality if murder is acceptable if God approves.

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Iron-awe, TwoWrights

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It was sarcasm.

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Persecution complex.

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Bucksiron wrote:

while you lot all supported him.

Incorrect. I voted in both Labour leadership elections he was in and he was bottom in my selection both times. I didn’t vote Labour either in elections.

I have also let it clear how much I dislike him on here, but please do carry on with the accusation that all of those on this thread supported him. Myself already proves the all to be false.

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Ah yes, the many years down the road argument. We will never be able to tell for 50 years, according to Rees-Mogg. I have no doubt the usual suspects will just finger wag at something else even then. It’s always someone else’s fault.

I’d have more of a respect for “it was never about economics” if those arguing it never tried to dismiss any arguments against economics from Brexit. The “it was never about economics” suggests that economic hits don’t matter, but then they argue against economic impacts anyway.

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An easy get out from contradictory arguments.

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I don’t think we should make out Tories are ‘scum’ by default.

There are many who aren’t, and it is rather prejudiced. However, the current crop of Tory MPs contain all too many grifters, chancers, self-interested, grubby charlatans among them, and it’s not wrong to call out people with negative connotations if you have the evidence to back it up. I don’t think that I can possibly do the same for every Tory, politician or not, in such a broad brush way.

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Just Iron wrote:

Have a bit more to say but have made myself late for the Hospital. A minor op today … if I make it through I will add a final bit later

I echo TW. All the best. :-)

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