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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/05/ken-loach-i-give-no-legitimacy-to-holocaust-denial

As a person that has always rooted for the underdog I find the accusations against certain people very uncomfortable, especially when they eminate from the Tories, that great institute for protecting minorities.
It’s of no great surprise that survivors of the Holocaust polarised to Labour knowing the history of the Conservative party.
Have they been let down, possibly, but when I hear the puritanical attacks by Tories on discrimination it’s very hard to swallow.
The whole question has been used to gain political advantage, it leaves a bad taste, I can’t believe any of them.

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Just to put things into perspective, does sympathy for the plight of Palestinians automatically make one an anti semite?

Seems to me that no one is standing up for them.

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In defence of aa, I think what he means is previous playing positions of the coaching staff.
Not that it has ever helped our defence in the past. Although Nige was a goalie.

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And on the other hand we do have someone trying to pass as an MP

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Deereyme66 wrote:

In answer to your question, no I won’t be boycotting Wickes.

Is that your TV channel of choice featuring Hartley Brewer? They should re-brand it Hell TV

Julia Hartley-Brewer famously described global warming as “weather”.
Where do they find these people?

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Our beloved local MP (H M-C) is being very quiet, as usual.

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Pat O’Cake wrote:

sufc_not_on_tour wrote:

Northumbiron wrote:

Delete thread?

Why?
Regardless of when the bankruptcy took place.
It’s concerning that our owner is a bankrupt, it would be interesting to know how many people suffered financially as a result of his past financial affairs.

Why is it concerning? Some of the most successful business people in the world have gone bankrupt before they made a success of things.

Indeed, and we don’t have to start thinking about the founder of the Virgin empire.

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All very good points put forward, it’s just an observation, it didn’t use to happen, not only in England but in Scotland too, in fact the Scottish cup final some time ago was the first time I noticed this phenomenon.
After a final the losing finalist used to do a lap of honour for their followers thanking them for their support.
When I’ve left early it’s been because of my disgust at my team’s performance. Manchester United should have been proud of their teams efforts, as with Inter, they didn’t just roll over.
My point is that it just doesn’t look good when half the stadium is empty during the presentations at a national event.

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Just Iron

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Well, here’s a thing, if we’re not playing at Glanford Park, why is the pitch looking so good in the new signings photos?
Unless it’s greenscreened.

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You just have to follow the money.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchants_of_Doubt

Great book that highlights the interference of big business and American right wing libertarian think tanks and their colleagues in Tufton Street, Westminster.

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billpuntonsghost wrote:

What was the number one issue the public wanted sorting?
Have the government implemented this wish?
Have the public been let down by an incompetent government?

Quite simple really, they were lied to, promoters of the leave campaign appealed to the voters baser instincts.
One bit of nonsense was the control of an unelected body, the European Commission, on our lives. We have a ready replacement, it’s called Whitehall, also an unelected body.
Even the most strident brexiteer did not consider leaving the Single Market, that would be catastrophic they said, yet that’s what happened, promoted by a small cabal.
It’s a mess, it’ll take 50 years to recover.
Thanks a lot.

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Northumbiron, Heath, Deereyme66

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Anonymous wrote:

The witch hunt starts early this week 😂

Do we burn them at the stake or boil them in oil?

The ducking stool, a greener option.😄

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billpuntonsghost wrote:

Siderite- “The BBC is mostly liberal,rather than left.”
The BBC is a left liberal organisation,Neo- Marxist to the extreme, believing in a woke,critical theory,anti- Christian “worldview”.

An honest question, explain the word “Woke”. To me it’s the direct opposite to “Slept”.
Last night I slept, this morning I woke.
Any other definition is straight out of 1984 “newspeak” where definitions are turned on their heads.
Stay awake. (Present tense).

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Heath

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Siderite wrote:

Iron Age wrote:

As a previous Pink Floyd fan I’m no apologist for the wandering mind of Roger Waters.
However, is any government, on this mortal coil, completely above criticism? I think not.

No-one has said otherwise here. His fever pitch nonsense plays into anti-Semitic canards about Jews controlling the world. All too often some say such is just legitimate criticism of Israel.

There is nothing wrong with criticising Israeli government decisions, but the global Israeli conspiracies, desperate comparisons of Israeli actions to the Holocaust etc are not reasoned criticism and come from a hatred of Jews.

They say similar things about Catholics, indeed to prevent them being dominant in GB we have the act of settlement, and guess what? It’s still in place.
I object to discrimination and prejudice against any group of people whether Jew, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, Palestinian or Israeli. Unfortunately to say so you enter into no go areas.

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As a previous Pink Floyd fan I’m no apologist for the wandering mind of Roger Waters.
However, is any government, on this mortal coil, completely above criticism? I think not.

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Iron-awe wrote:

I will tell what I hear JI, a lot and I mean a lot of young people when asked say leaving the EU was something they didn’t vote for and could not see any sensible reason why we would leave our major trading partner group which, despite the money it cost the country each year to remain a part of it, still the benefits outweighed the negatives. Now I know an awful lot of older people who voted to leave who remain tight lipped and not very forthcoming about what they believe now. I believe that is down to the fact that they are older,some rather set in their ways, don’t like saying the are or were wrong very often but they will soon be gone whereas the younger generation are the ones who will be left with consequences of leaving the EU. Sure life will go on but at what cost to standards of living and more financial hardship, whilst bringing up a young family, then before. Just an opinion but I am sorry we left the EU, not for me because I’m doing ok thanks compared to some but then I retired five years ago and my path had been prepared for that over the previous fifty years of a working life, most of it in the EU, don’t think the younger ones will get that same equal opportunity IMO because we have left

The question will be in the future “What were you thinking?”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/01/brexit-historic-economic-error-larry-summers-former-us-treasury-secretary

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You have to look at the quality of the main Brexit cheerleaders and beneficiaries.
Boris, Rees Mogg, Trump, Putin, Farage.
Would you trust them to tell you the truth?
Have they a hidden agenda?

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The best deal we could possibly have is the deal we already had, hence Sunak trying to convince Northern Ireland that they would have the very best of both worlds.
Didn’t we once have that?

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Deereyme66 wrote:

I didn’t know you could drink red leb! 🤣

But it does have a mellowing effect.

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Deereyme66

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Iron-awe wrote:

Remember George doing his ” push and run ” pass several times when he tricked the defender, knocked it passed him on one side then ran round him the other side to collect the ball and carry on. Always thought Heath, Kerr and Cassidy were a great attacking trio in their day for the Iron and yes Terry Heath the best ever player to wear an Iron shirt IMO.

I remember him trying to do a “Pele” ei recieving the ball and flicking it over his head while running forward, didn’t work too often.
I also remember a back pass from the halfway line against Millwall in the cup that went out for a corner.
He was having a great season before the broken leg though.

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sufc_not_on_tour wrote:

cassidystash wrote:

Shame he won’t be able to save money by using the architects plans that Mr Swann paid a fortune for. A ‘Championship’ stadium might be a bit ambitious.

Mr Swann paid a fortune for?
I very much doubt he paid for them, the club paid for them!

In which case the plans belong to the club and he can use them, unless of course Swann still owns the club.

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Northumbiron wrote:

Not that unusual for players to look downwards for a new challenge.

“New challenge” almost ALWAYS means “pay rise”. Unless there are no other offers on the table, it means they’ve gone for a pay rise. Nothing wrong with that from the player’s point of view, of course.

Isn’t that the cause of the club’s current financial situation? The previous owner “gambled” on getting promotion to the Championship by paying more than the club could afford.

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Just a thought, has the club still got a supply?

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2015/december/farewell-to-glanford-park-gift-set/

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Deereyme66 wrote:

Great player

We’ll soon sort that out

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Awaywego wrote:

That’s where I get my brambles and raspberries from let alone the apples hands off scunny, Should have built there in the first place would have been more of a town football club at least there’d be some proper home pubs.

I seem to remember that Scunthorpe borough council were not very accommodating or helpful at that time, hence an out of town site. But I agree, would have been a better place.

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Awaywego

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I always thought it was a good option, closer to the town centre.

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Deereyme66

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Iron-awe wrote:

Actually them’s the rules of the current Government who will push this boat issue all the way to election day and say they are taking the majority of the British people with them, despite a lack of hard evidence to back their claims. Meanwhile their ham fisted approach to running the country and ignoring far more important issues will continue.

I agree, it’s about the only populist topic they have.
Appeal to the dark side.

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It’s quite strange how the “Libertarians”, who criticise state interference, are quite happy to use the state to silence peaceful protest.
Remember Thatcher and the Ridley Plan.

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And also, so sorry for Millwall 🤭

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Northumbiron, Heath

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Where does ambivalence put me?

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