Why did the public vote for Brexit?

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    billpuntonsghostbillpuntonsghost
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    What was the number one issue the public wanted sorting?
    Have the government implemented this wish?
    Have the public been let down by an incompetent government?

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    Are you admitting that even you don’t know? Why did anybody vote for Brexit should be the question?

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    My guess is that they voted to leave the European Union. In case you missed it, we have.

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    The vote was to leave the EU. We did. We can have endless debates on why people voted to leave, but the responses will vary. Some will say immigration, others sovereignty, others because they think there’s better trade deals elsewhere.

    The referendum wasn’t to select a selectorate for future democratic decisions; it was just to leave the EU. If you think the argument was for immigration control, the problem is that not every Brexiter voted based on this, and as the referendum wasn’t on this, it’s perfectly reasonable for it to be debated and voted on against the will of the select Brexiters who were motivated by it. 2016 wasn’t a referendum to forever prevent debate and people putting forward their ideas as to how the country goes.

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    Some voted leave because they thought it meant “leave things as they are”.

    Honestly!

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    They wanted it sorting as to whether we are in the EU or not.
    Yes,we had the vote
    Yes on many things

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    billpuntonsghostbillpuntonsghost
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    Are you serious Siderite that some Brexiters voted to leave the EU,so we were a sovereign country again,with a democratically elected government,and not under the dictatorship of an unelected bureaucracy,but still not wanting to have secure borders and controlled immigration?

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    The referendum question was clearly to remain or leave the EU. It said naff all about immigration, so any failure to meet your wishes here betrays no referendum result.

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    It’s clear many want to control immigration. However, the 2016 referendum has no bearing on our immigration policy, besides obligations of freedom of movement from EU nations. If you want to argue for this, and make claims of public desire, I don’t think it’s wise to use a referendum which wasn’t a referendum specifically on immigration policy. We cannot use a referendum on EU membership to justify whatever we want.

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    What was the number one issue the public wanted sorting?
    Have the government implemented this wish?
    Have the public been let down by an incompetent government?

    Quite simple really, they were lied to, promoters of the leave campaign appealed to the voters baser instincts.
    One bit of nonsense was the control of an unelected body, the European Commission, on our lives. We have a ready replacement, it’s called Whitehall, also an unelected body.
    Even the most strident brexiteer did not consider leaving the Single Market, that would be catastrophic they said, yet that’s what happened, promoted by a small cabal.
    It’s a mess, it’ll take 50 years to recover.
    Thanks a lot.

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    In 1993, the EU’s share of GDP on a worldwide scale was 30%.
    Last I saw – it is now below 15%. Work that one out for yourself. You should see the graph!
    As a former EU researcher – I cannot start to explain: the incompetence, the corruption and the waste found in this toxic body. (Westminster truly pales into insignificance by comparison – hard to accept but true.)
    I had actually voted to stay in. Let me repeat. Like many, I supported the concept. When I was invited to to examine it closely, however – I was shocked to the core. My volte face was indeed based on prejudice – I despise waste, I abhor duplicity, ineptitude, expense and am none too keen on imperialism.

    Sorry. I haven’t been on this site in years – it is highly improbable that I shall ever come on again.

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    #263859
    SideriteSiderite
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    You should see the UK’s growth too, post-2016.

    Well, this will set off Gurny.

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    dandaherron@yahoo.co.ukJust Iron
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    Don’t worry, Les. There’s one poster who has maintained for the last two years that I am your alter ego and all my contributions are really yours. It exempts him from both engaging with what I actually say and also from basic courtesy. Pretty dismal really. Maybe you should take over for a bit and I can have a couple of years off!!

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    Don’t think you’d find the liberal left types on here offering to do shift work for one another. Plenty of evidence from right wingers in our own government of a ‘you scratch my back…’ approach 😀

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    Hah, why did the UK leave the EU? They were afraid because they were told the country was run by Brussels, when really the country was run by the Tories. Amid a deep, badly managed recession, a lie was put about – that leaving the EU would get rid of foreigners/brown/black people, provide more money for hospitals, and somehow turn back the clock to the good old days of yore.

    But, think for a moment. EU membership had never been seriously questioned before, except by a fringe group of political eccentrics, because everyone could see the benefits far outweighed the deficiencies. Corruption, waste, democracy? There’s lots of corruption, waste and a democratic deficit in the British parliament. But the Brexiters ignored all that, and suddenly made the EU a scapegoat for all the UK’s ills. It wasn’t just a political issue, it was moral one, the campaigners told us from the barricades, and something just had to be done.

    The leave campaign was dominated by racism. It was given a seal of approval by so-called ‘respectable’ members of the community; men in power, men in suits, even men of the cloth. On Bru, there was Lesgeo, broadcasting about his experience in the school, court and even the church, building up moral credibility before putting about some of the most egregious and un-Christian lies ever seen on here, and even encouraging others to share them.

    Those stories? Haha! Remember that one about frightening the public with “research” predicting that 12 million Turks were likely to come? Remember too, the connection with those loony, far-right, so-called Christian web sites in the US? Populist, weapons-grade lies and nonsense to terrorise the gullible, from someone clearly unsuitable for public office. Neither must we forget pugilist jonnie ‘Or-not’ who used Bru to threaten to punch Andy Burnham’s lights out… clearly a democratic deficit there!

    Elsewhere in the country it got worse. The Tories had their ‘climate of hostility’ policies, the Kippers had their ‘breaking point’ posters, and together with the right-wing media they conjured an ugly national mood, one in which people were looking sideways at anyone who looked or spoke ‘foreign’ – in supermarkets, buses, pubs, clubs – while in homes around the country arguments were breaking out among families, friends, neighbours… arguments between those who could see through the bullshit, and those who just wanted to believe.

    Nobody was immune, and through manipulation in politics, mass and social media, Facebook, Twitter, plus the use of algorithms to target those who don’t seek out reliable news, the country was pushed into a position of calamitous and epic stupidity, like arguing about the existence of gravity.

    It was complete and utter madness. Every living PM, along with prize-winning scientists, people who understood things – experts – all said ‘remain’, and have since been proved correct. Yet, amid the emotion of cheap shoes, fish and blue passports, the believers still followed Leadsom and Farage into the abyss, winning by the narrowest of margins. But just what exactly did they win? Precisely nothing.

    Lies have consequences, and now we are reaping what others have sown. The country is sicker, weaker, poorer, and there’s unfinished business. No wonder the Brexiters and their towering hubris want to move on and let it drop.

    As for Lesgeo’s belated U-Turn above, dad and the jonnies should come on here to apologise for all the guff they posted in the past about an ‘evil empire’ etc; guff which misled, stirred up hatred, and contributed to the creation of a climate in which it was ok to hate Muslims and immigrants, as well as OK to leave the EU without any sort of plan whatsoever.

    But, in the Christian spirit which has long since characterised many of our band of Bru-ers, let there be compassion for the conned, and utter contempt for the conmen. Let us pray for them all – you know who you are.

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    billpuntonsghostbillpuntonsghost
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    Your untruths are scattered throughout your monologues,Gurnelista.Your Marxist ideology shines through ,your anti-Christianity even more so. Your statements are sprinkled with personal unsubstantiated claims.Things never change with your posts.

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    Why did anybody vote for Brexit should be the question?

    God made them do it.

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    Your untruths are scattered throughout your monologues,Gurnelista.Your Marxist ideology shines through ,your anti-Christianity even more so. Your statements are sprinkled with personal unsubstantiated claims.Things never change with your posts.

    Sure one of your funniest posts ever bill, you have a sense of humour after all. Well done.

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    “Your untruths are scattered throughout your monologues,Gurnelista.Your Marxist ideology shines through ,your anti-Christianity even more so. Your statements are sprinkled with personal unsubstantiated claims.Things never change with your posts.”

    Good effort, but you failed to provide any examples to support your view.

    You asked several questions, but have failed to provide any answers.

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    billpuntonsghostbillpuntonsghost
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    “Good effort, but you failed to provide any examples to support your view.”
    Like I said Heath, Gurnelista does just that.
    He sprinkles his posts with personal unsubstantiated claims that cannot be verified,other than by the ideological lenses that he has in his worldview.

    #263981
    SideriteSiderite
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    Irony overload.

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    billpuntonsghostbillpuntonsghost
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    The Irony of your “Irony overload” post!

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    SideriteSiderite
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    It’s a good job it wasn’t me making accusations of ideological blinkedness when being such myself then, eh?

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    You started the thread BPG. Thought you might have some thoughts of your own to add to the discussion. Seems you have nothing other than your usual blind faith.

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    Iron-aweIron-awe
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    Seems you have nothing other than your usual blind faith.

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    Best thing about Blind Faith was Steve Winwoods contributions, Clapton and Bakers roles were overstated IMO and poor old Ric Grech never recovered properly from the split and died eight years later of liver failure due to alcoholism, only 43.
    As for god, nowhere to be bloody seen as usual.

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    What was the number one issue the public wanted sorting?

    I didn’t vote for Brexit, but I assume it was to leave the EU at any cost.

    Have the government implemented this wish?

    Considering Brexit has gone pretty much how I expected, I think they have implemented it better than they have implemented other things

    Have the public been let down by an incompetent government?

    Yes

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    The public have been let down by an incompetent government since 2010, Brexit was just the final nail in their incompetent coffin.

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    Ric Grech did good work with Family before Blind Faith and with Traffic after. But as you say, he was another who died very young.

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    They have been been redefining incompetency since 2010. I used to think Cameron was incompetent, but compared to what has followed he is starting to look good

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    “I didn’t vote for Brexit, but I assume it was to leave the EU at any cost.”

    True. But I’d wager none of them expected the cost to be this high!

    Cue Joni….”Don’t it always seem to go, you don’t know what you’ve got ’til it’s gone?”

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